The classic case of "balance changed, but players didn't changed their strats and BOs".
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I am mainly a USF player. I think the Riflemans are fine, they have low long-range dps, but they have a good target size on 3 vets. This gives them good survival. However, this unit has problems, such as:
1. Reinforcement for 28 MP. (Very expensive)
2. Great requirements for vet.
3. The first vet does not improve combat performance.
4. AT grenade tied to 1 vet, which means that each new Rifleman is helpless against vehicle.
5. Special costs of mp and fuel for access to the bar and grenades.
The Rear Echelon problem:
1. Reinforcement for 25 MP. (Like a Volks)
2. Bad modernization. They dont have a flamethrower and mines. Even if he could buy a bazooka, like a Lieutenant, he would not become such a threat as a stormpioner with a panzershrek. Because the bazooka has a very low penetration and damage.
The problem of assault engineers
Only one: Target size that has been changed from 0.9 to 1.0.
0.9 appears on the first vet. This destroyed the unit's opening game. They lose 1-2 models while shortening the distance with a cheaper unit like the Volks. They don't have grenades or sprints like assault grenadiers to make up for such weaknesses.
The Pathfinder Problem
1. Bad survival. 4 people in the squad, but the target size is worse than that of the rifleman. If you compare with the light jaeger squad, the difference is very large.
2. The price of 290 MP does not correspond to the unit's performance. They lose at any distance against to Volks for 260MP. (Without vet) With vet I have not tested.
3. For 290 MP, the squad does not have any grenades, or AT grenades, and even smoke grenades. |
I wanted to see if it was possible to win with them in the current patch. Sadly that was not the case
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1) It was an isolated point. The LMG42 is stronger than the 1919, because it replaces a stronger rifle.
2) And that's why 1919 Riflemen perform better than LMG42 Grenadiers.
3) My point is: 1919 Riflemen have the possibility to scale further with BAR, LMG42 Grens don't.
The 1919 upgrade is fine, I can give you ingame tests and a full comparison between all the stats if you want, but you could just take my word on it. The problem is that the 1919 comes in okay-ish doctrines which have abilities that are in much more need of a buff than the 1919. For example:
- M5, comes too late at 3 CP to have an impact.
- P-47 suppression strafe, extremely overpriced compared to the Ostheer strafe equivalent.
- Time on Target, one of the slowest arty strikes ingame, only useful to destroy OKW bases.
- That is, USF to pay 40 more manpower.
- Then to choose a doctrine
- Must wait 2 or 3 sp
- Must pay 70 muni for m1919
- Buy weapon racks for additional manpower and fuel.
- Buy a bar for 60 munis.
All this I have to do so that the Riflemans could be more productive against greens for 240 mp?
I repeat, the Riflemans + m1919 hardly save one model in a shootout with grenadiers + mg34. Is this a balance? |
Problem is riflemen medium/long range without weapon upgrades. Compare 280 rifles to 280 infantry sections. The sections have the long range to kite axis inf well or blob to counter
Expert and player from the top 10 confirmed that the riflemans have a problem.
I see how the USF is not popular in tournaments. Only the British and the Soviets.
I hope you understand that you made a mistake by choosing the USF several times in the Masters Cup. I don’t know what you wanted to prove with such a risky step. |
1) What you said doesn't make any sense, because rifles cost significantly more.
2) M1919 costs MORE then LMG42.
3) If you dump 120+ muni on a singular squad, it better be scaling well.
I say this. In a shootout with the grenadiers, the riflemans hardly have one model left. And the difference in price is big - 40mp. This is the same if we can withstand the rear echelon for 200 mp against the grenadiers for 240.
while the echelon should have a rifle grenade, the best faust, and m1919 without a doctrine for 60 muni. |
It's not hard to understand:
"Even then, the difference in performance is miniscule and it balances out in the end"
but riflemans cost 280mp and grens 240mp. usf (doctrine) lmg - 70 muni, ostheer - 60 muni.
Exactly, they are almost the same in performance, but Oster pay much less for this and should not choose a doctrine for this. Is this called balance?
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u already got proven wrong in the other thread, rilfe + lmg are 23 % better than gren + lmg, but i guess u can't go back on ur propaganda
And you wanted differently? To the infantry for 240 destroyed the infantry for 280mp? Which even more expensive weapons?
However, these 23% end up in one surviving rifleman model. But this is only without vet. With 1 Vet, the rifleman lose. Less cost - more productivity.
If m1919 is profit, then mg32 is even greater profit, because it
- cheaper
- more powerful (more dps)
- and is not a doctrine
But don’t be very nervous |
VS OKW as USF.
>> Go rifles (as always)
>> Take the M1919 doctrine
>> Profit.
m1919 (doctrine) worse than (standart) lmg mg34. So, the Ostheer is always a profit?
And m1919 available only 2cp or 3cp such as elite infantry. Therefore there is no profit. Again only riflemans vs stuprmioners and volks behind sandbags.
And actually it's funny how the USF has to choose a doctrine to withstand the opening game of the OKW. |
Despite the fact that I am a player of the allies, and especially the USF, I say that your idea is crazy. Although the rear echelon is trash in front of the stormtrooper. Nevertheless, such a passive ability will make the riflemans OP. I think the echelon deserves a flamethrower and that’s it. Better pay attention to such ranks as Lieutenant and Captain, which are just a copy of the riflemans and do not justify their name. Oh yes, I forgot, they have the unique ability to buy a bar and a bazooka (which penetrates only light vehicle) without racks, they do the same with volks and grens with their weapons. This captain or lieutenant should give a passive ability, and not a 200 mp echelon.
And of course, it’s very strange to see the offer for the rear echelon from the axis fan. Is this a pre-conceived move? To later offer something incredibly wild for okw and ostheer? |