Panzer III
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Could have an upgrade at munitions to become the J version with the better gun. Just a suggestion.
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all these stuff are doctrinals, while soviets doctrinal tank are already heavies or at least late game and they got very erly light tanks where Ostheer have mostly late game tanks and only P4 is decent, Stug G is like a tank destroyer (despite the fact it's supposed to be assault gun not TD) and ostwind which is fairly weak
I don't think Relic will add any new stock units anytime soon and I'm pretty sure OP wanted it doctrinal. Only thing Relic did in the past is switching a doctrinal unit with a stock one.
So if we consider Ostheer lack of medium tank design that much impacting today with the meta evolution, which units could be swapped from stock to doctrinal to replace Stug-E or Puma and having it T2 unlocked after BP2.
I'll say Stug-G for the Puma. So Ostheer has access to a light armored unit countering fairly well Stuart/T76/Sherman and the Stug-G could take place in those doctrine with an increased CP requirement.
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I find plenty of reason to complain about allied related stuff too(stock 34/85 ideas, SU-100, pershing to name a few).
The difference is you are pushing for new additions on the Allies side, but arguing against them for the Axis side.
And last but not least, we're talking mp, which happens in 44/45 years, where P3 were undergunned and outdated, their use was limited exclusively to occupation forces instead of frontline troops, so it wasn't even used in the period we have in mp.
The Panzer III was in service until the end of the war, the Model N was used as an infantry support tank. Besides, Relic never let rarity stop them, you should know, you've complained about that before!
There, I've elaborated and covered both, balance and historical reasons why P3 is even less likely then hotchkiss.
A Medium Tank last modified in 1943 is outdated, but Light Tank last touched in 1940 isn't? Now you're just trying to troll.
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Panzer III starting with the short of long gun?
Personally I think I'd start it off with the Ausf. M with a sidegrade to the Ausf. N.
I don't think Relic will add any new stock units anytime soon and I'm pretty sure OP wanted it doctrinal.
I'd like it non-doctrinal but I accept that is the least likely thing to happen, so doctrinal would be alright.
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The difference is you are pushing for new additions on the Allies side, but arguing against them for the Axis side.
Like pershing or new infantry types for sovs or archer or SU-100?
The Panzer III was in service until the end of the war, the Model N was used as an infantry support tank. Besides, Relic never let rarity stop them, you should know, you've complained about that before!
A Medium Tank last modified in 1943 is outdated, but Light Tank last touched in 1940 isn't? Now you're just trying to troll.
Rarity is not relevant, I'm more concerned about potential roles, which already is filled by THREE other armored doctrinal units.
Besides, light tanks have significantly different role then mediums, P3, no matter how you'd like to look at it-is a medium tank. Early war one, stomped by T34, but medium nevertheless.
Lights were used as recon, specifically for that Luchs was made instead of abandoning P2 all together.
We're still going to stop 1 anyway, where all possible roles are already filled with other units and adding units for the sake of adding units is pointless, you either end up with completely useless piece of shit(M-42) or units overlaping each other, making one or another irrelevant.
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1) The short answer: Pz.III is not enough OP for CoH2 germans.
The long answer: Pz.III not in the time interval. The Germans used since the beginning of the war Pak 36, Pak 38, Marders, Pz.III, Panzerbüchse too the end. We don't see them in game because a late stage of the war, not early.
2) The short answer: In terms of gameplay Pz.III will not add anything new to the game.
The long answer: Pz.III with 5sm long barrel? Another puma with better armor. Short 7,5 sm barrel? Another commander Pz.IV.
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In addition, its pointless to bring long barreled version, because Puma exists, you might not like it, but the role is taken here.
Short barreled one is pointless for the same reason because of command P4 and StuG-E, no reason to bring exactly same gun on yet another platform that would be just smaller copy of command P4.
And last but not least, we're talking mp, which happens in 44/45 years, where P3 were undergunned and outdated, their use was limited exclusively to occupation forces instead of frontline troops, so it wasn't even used in the period we have in mp.
There, I've elaborated and covered both, balance and historical reasons why P3 is even less likely then hotchkiss.
I agree with Katitof here. If Relic will make a Pz III, they should give it where it belongs, that is to a third Axis faction, Afrika Korps.
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I'm okay with the idea. Make it better than the USF Stuart in terms of firepower, but have armor values that are lower than the Panzer IV.Depends on the Ausf.
The most common variant, the Ausf. J would have less armor.
But the Ausf. L and M actually had better turret armor (77mm vs 50mm) than a Panzer IV, while only having 10mm less hull armor (70mm vs 80mm). I think it would be nice to have the Ausf. M with vet2 and that would be similar in armor protection to the later Panzer IV. The gun should be lacking.
That would also fit the time frame better and would stick to the vet system of Ostheer vehicles.
Alternatively that ugly Panzer IV command tank could be changed to a Panzer III Ausf. N. Stubby Panzer IVs in 1944 are rather out of place.
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An idea to add the stug with the short barrel in T2 would be much better.
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Problem solved
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Remember unit diversity doesn't hurt anyone; it adds options so we all don't see the same strategies recycled over and over again.
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(edit) Dam google search and lazy eyes, this dank meme is for the wrong tank
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