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sorryWTFisthis
1 Dec 2015, 10:13 AM
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Problem:

- No teching required
- On par with the EZ8
- Comes at 10 CP
- The abilities and units included in the whole doc are complementing each other and creating a ridiculously powerful synergy.
- Relatively cheap.


Solution:

- Increase the fuel cost and popcap a bit.
- Require the T4 building (just like the EZ8/T85).
- Remove the cons repair ability with something else,
jump backJump back to quoted post17 Jan 2016, 11:00 AMAustralian Magic
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JohnSmith
1 Dec 2015, 10:24 AM
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On par with EZ8?
According to my stats, the M4C is one of the worst medium tanks out there.
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Esxile
1 Dec 2015, 10:25 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post1 Dec 2015, 10:13 AMsorryWTFisthis



Problem:

- No teching required
- On par with the EZ8
- Comes at 10 CP
- The abilities and units included in the whole doc are complementing each other and creating a ridiculously powerful synergy.
- Relatively cheap.


Solution:

- Increase the fuel cost and popcap a bit.
- Require the T4 building (just like the EZ8/T85).
- Remove the cons repair ability with something else,


Did he pick his doctrine before or after you?
4 rakens + 1 jpz4 and you can't keep his Shermans at bay?
Did you Mine?
Post the replay instead of a screenshot so we can figure out the reality.
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sorryWTFisthis
1 Dec 2015, 10:28 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post1 Dec 2015, 10:25 AMEsxile


Post the replay instead of a screenshot so we can figure out the reality.
Screenshot captured via OBS mode. One game play screenshot should be quite enough.
jump backJump back to quoted post17 Jan 2016, 11:00 AMAustralian Magic
Brummbar is very powerful
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JohnSmith
1 Dec 2015, 10:31 AM
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In that screenshot of yours, you have been simply outplayed. You could easily screenshot any endstate of a standard game, and you'd get a similar kind of distribution of units.

Note: What did you do with your ammo? Why do you have two leIGs against a highly mobile soviet? What did you do with all your manpower?
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sorryWTFisthis
1 Dec 2015, 10:33 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post1 Dec 2015, 10:31 AMJohnSmith
In that screenshot of yours, you have been simply outplayed.
Typical nonsens spouted by a biased player, "Itz u not the game or balansh".


And that guy's not me, ignoring my previous statement does not make your allegation valid lol.
jump backJump back to quoted post17 Jan 2016, 11:00 AMAustralian Magic
Brummbar is very powerful
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Katitof
1 Dec 2015, 10:34 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post1 Dec 2015, 10:33 AMsorryWTFisthis
And that guy's not me, ignoring my previous statement does not make your allegation valid lol.



So post YOUR games if YOU struggle with it.
5 shermans at 23 minute vs so much AT screams "scrub ultimate" for the axis player.

Let me in you on a secret:

Game is not balanced around noobs.

Also M4C on pair with EZ8?

What next?

T34/76 on pair with OKW P4 or panther?

Are you lolcake reincarnation?
jump backJump back to quoted post25 Nov 2015, 11:09 AM$nuffy
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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JohnSmith
1 Dec 2015, 10:35 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post1 Dec 2015, 10:33 AMsorryWTFisthis
Typical nonsens spouted by a biased player, "Itz u not the game or balansh".


And thus, you lost all interest of this community to create some kind of good conversation in this thread.

Please stop following the standard rage flowchart of "disagreeing with person -> flame person to death", I'd enjoy that, cheers.
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sorryWTFisthis
1 Dec 2015, 10:39 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post1 Dec 2015, 10:35 AMJohnSmith


And thus, you lost all interest of this community to create some kind of good conversation in this thread.

Sorry didn't know you are the guy representing the whole community, lol. Further posts will be ignored as you clearly suffer from Megalomania.

@Katitof: Let's say it's on par with the T34, it should still require teching to prevent the abuse we see in the screen cap.
jump backJump back to quoted post17 Jan 2016, 11:00 AMAustralian Magic
Brummbar is very powerful
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Katitof
1 Dec 2015, 10:51 AM
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If you have problem with countering squishy generalist medium tank that can't bounce anything, its your problem, not balance.

Only really superior tanks require tech.
If you want to bind this one to tech, then so should be done for ost puma, StuG-e and ost command tank together with OKW command panther.
jump backJump back to quoted post25 Nov 2015, 11:09 AM$nuffy
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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jackill2611
1 Dec 2015, 11:01 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post1 Dec 2015, 10:51 AMKatitof
If you have problem with countering squishy generalist medium tank that can't bounce anything, its your problem, not balance.

Only really superior tanks require tech.
If you want to bind this one to tech, then so should be done for ost puma and ost command tank together with OKW command panther.

I agree, there is room in the game that contains some call-in vehicles.
OP, try the doctrine yourself, this Sherman cannot stand vs axis AT weaponry, and, not like Ez8 , it doesn't have crew repair and 800 health. Its more like t34-76 with MG upgrade and more acceleration, but crazy fuel cost (80 vs 125 or something like that)
UAUAsovietssoviets
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Highfiveeeee
1 Dec 2015, 11:14 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post1 Dec 2015, 10:51 AMKatitof
If you have problem with countering squishy generalist medium tank that can't bounce anything, its your problem, not balance.

Only really superior tanks require tech.
If you want to bind this one to tech, then so should be done for ost puma, StuG-e and ost command tank together with OKW command panther.


This is correct.
If your enemy gets 5(!) M4C in a 1v1 you did something wrong.
The M4C is by far worse than the E8. It's more a thing between a both T34 types and it sucks agains tanks, especially against the heavy ones.
In addition it's near to impossible to micro 5 tanks at the same time.
It is though God by command has withdrawn every other throne.
And God is saying 'No. These people will deal with me alone.'

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Kreatiir
1 Dec 2015, 11:26 AM
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Ask strategists for help man :)
This is unfortunately a L2P issue. 5 M4C's on the field means you clearly did something wrong.. :)
All posts made are about situations in 2v2's. Not a 1v1 player.
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Kamzil118
1 Dec 2015, 11:34 AM
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Here is a reason why it shouldn't be part of tech.

The Sherman M4C is an American lend-lease tank and not a Russian tank. So to put it in tech would be a problem if you consider the fuel cost as well. This tank is possibly the only good from this doctrine. The DShK doesn't do enough damage, fuel planes can get shot down, and the M5 half track with a Guards Assault squad is just a free half track with an okay assault team.

The only good from this unit is that it is a step up from the T-34/76 and it is not an Easy Eight.
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Katitof
1 Dec 2015, 11:46 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post1 Dec 2015, 11:34 AMsorryWTFisthis
Another typical biased player response: Dodging the arguments and saying " you did something very awfully wrong man"
:lol:


Denial, best form of self defense on .org :sibHyena:
jump backJump back to quoted post25 Nov 2015, 11:09 AM$nuffy
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Mr. Someguy
1 Dec 2015, 12:06 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post1 Dec 2015, 10:13 AMsorryWTFisthis
On par with the EZ8


No.

Name:
M4A3E8
M4C

Armour:
215
160

Health:
720
640

Penetration:
200/165/155
140/130/120
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> Kriegsbeute Doctrine|Partisan Rework|British Infantry Rework|Soviet Assault Squad <
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Swift
1 Dec 2015, 12:09 PM
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It's fine, just because it allows a no tech build doesn't mean it should be nerfed. You have a window of opportunity before ten CPs to beat your opponent, and going no tech into M4Cs is dangerous.
The internal battery has run dry, the game can now be played. However, clock based events will no longer occur.
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sorryWTFisthis
1 Dec 2015, 12:09 PM
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In terms of shock factor, there is no difference between facing multiple Ez8s (like the good ole days) or M4Cs
jump backJump back to quoted post17 Jan 2016, 11:00 AMAustralian Magic
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Katitof
1 Dec 2015, 12:17 PM
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If you're fighting more then 2 EZ8s at a time, you're still doing something wrong.

M4C arrices LATER then any stock medium tank, there is no shock value here, unless you felt asleep and 10 minutes later woke up without AT or armor that should already be on the field.

And lets not even begin on the slight difference of DIFFERENT ARMIES.

You're comparing potatoes and airplanes.
jump backJump back to quoted post25 Nov 2015, 11:09 AM$nuffy
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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