With the increased tech cost of Major the M4 Sherman feels really over priced. By the time it hits the field now German will have well established and possibly even vetted AT. Before it was possible to "rush" Sherman and get one out early enough to start picking away at AT. By the time it arrives there are layers of German AT - not just 1 or 2 schreck squads.
Now I know the timing comparisons will be tossed around with Panzer 4, but you really have to remember that German AT is far superior to allied AT and especially USF AT options. Sherman was much more viable before because it could hit the field early enough to get ahead of some of that. Now there is little reason to get it over the Scott/EZ8/Jackson for the various roles it performs. Better to get a Jackson/M8 and or EZ8 combo than multiple 75m Shermans.
I suggest a cost decrease to 90FU.
M4 Sherman needs cost decrease
24 Jul 2015, 22:07 PM
#1
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24 Jul 2015, 22:19 PM
#3
Posts: 156
Hmm I don't think so. Sure the t34/76 got a price decrease but it was a shitty tank before the patch and now that it comes so late a price decrease was needed to make its impact on the game not be laughable.
The Sherman can wipe squads fairly well. Ya it comes a little later but it is still a solid choice. I think USF has 99 problems but the Sherman isn't one.
Engage German anti-inf with your sherman, their AT with your inf, and just bend over and lose the game to OP42s.
The Sherman can wipe squads fairly well. Ya it comes a little later but it is still a solid choice. I think USF has 99 problems but the Sherman isn't one.
Engage German anti-inf with your sherman, their AT with your inf, and just bend over and lose the game to OP42s.
24 Jul 2015, 22:26 PM
#4
Posts: 1024 | Subs: 1
I suggest a cost decrease [sherman] to 90FU.
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24 Jul 2015, 23:13 PM
#5
Posts: 114
The Sherman has too much utility to cost only 10 more fuel than a t34/76. Still they don't perform as well as they should at the moment for their price. They should buff it somehow but it might be an issue buffing the sherman too much (which relic does sometimes, not finding fault i'm not perfect by a long shot). excellent med tank coupled with the sniper tank destroyer jacksons might make things a little too one sided.
25 Jul 2015, 00:20 AM
#6
Posts: 2561
I think 100 fuel is more reasonable.
25 Jul 2015, 01:27 AM
#7
Posts: 393
I feel the Sherman needs nothing done with it. It's an excellent tank that I have fun using. However, I find it's only really hard to get when dealing with the horrific attrition problem the Americans have with their Riflemen. They suck up so much Manpower that it's hard for me to get a Sherman unless I'm clearly winning the match.
25 Jul 2015, 02:12 AM
#8
Posts: 622
sherman is fine as a well rounded tank like P4, except P4 have more AT power and Sherman have more AI power. also it come with smoke skill and HE rounds which is very useful on battlefield. so I think the price is right atm.
25 Jul 2015, 02:42 AM
#9
Posts: 1891
Cult of the M10
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25 Jul 2015, 03:19 AM
#10
8 Posts: 2470
shermans are an odd ball. they seem to scale exponentially which means that one or two are pretty bad but if you can somehow get 5 of them they're impossible to stop. i know that lots of tanks work similarly but the HE shell in particular means that they are very good wipers with minimal RNG involved. against vehicles they aren't very impressive though, particularly Vs.
25 Jul 2015, 04:35 AM
#11
Posts: 1248
Name:
Kwk40 75mm Tank Gun (Panzer IV)
File name:
panzer_4_75mm_mp.xml
Nation:
ostheer
Penetration:
120.0/110.0/100.0
Scatter angle:
7.5
Scatter distance:
6.4
AoE radius:
2.5
AoE far:
1.875
AoE mid:
1.25
AoE near:
0.75
Name:
M3 75mm Main Gun
File name:
sherman_m3_75mm_mp.xml
Nation:
usa
Penetration:
120.0/100.0/80.0
Scatter angle:
6.0
Scatter distance:
6.2
AoE radius:
2.0
AoE far:
1.5
AoE mid:
1.0
AoE near:
0.5
Name:
M3 75mm HE Shells
File name:
sherman_m3_75mm_he_shell_mp.xml
Nation:
usa
Penetration:
25.0/25.0/25.0
Scatter angle:
6.0
Scatter distance:
5.5
AoE radius:
4.0
AoE far:
2.25
AoE mid:
1.5
AoE near:
0.75
Same penetration so P4 does not have more AT unless you are speakin of long range combat Kappa but I never have that problem since I always rush my shermans in close range. coh2-stats.com
Kwk40 75mm Tank Gun (Panzer IV)
File name:
panzer_4_75mm_mp.xml
Nation:
ostheer
Penetration:
120.0/110.0/100.0
Scatter angle:
7.5
Scatter distance:
6.4
AoE radius:
2.5
AoE far:
1.875
AoE mid:
1.25
AoE near:
0.75
Name:
M3 75mm Main Gun
File name:
sherman_m3_75mm_mp.xml
Nation:
usa
Penetration:
120.0/100.0/80.0
Scatter angle:
6.0
Scatter distance:
6.2
AoE radius:
2.0
AoE far:
1.5
AoE mid:
1.0
AoE near:
0.5
Name:
M3 75mm HE Shells
File name:
sherman_m3_75mm_he_shell_mp.xml
Nation:
usa
Penetration:
25.0/25.0/25.0
Scatter angle:
6.0
Scatter distance:
5.5
AoE radius:
4.0
AoE far:
2.25
AoE mid:
1.5
AoE near:
0.75
Same penetration so P4 does not have more AT unless you are speakin of long range combat Kappa but I never have that problem since I always rush my shermans in close range. coh2-stats.com
25 Jul 2015, 04:42 AM
#12
Posts: 3103 | Subs: 1
Same penetration so P4 does not have more AT. coh2-stats.com
It says right there P4's far penetration is superior by 20. Additionally, the P4's reload time is superior, but by the very minor difference of 0.3 seconds.
25 Jul 2015, 05:17 AM
#13
4 Posts: 1194 | Subs: 1
Sherman is in a good place cost to performance wise right now. Nothing is needed. It has less at but more ai than a p4, with extra minuses in other areas.
The biggest problem is a lack of scalability, but that is a problem with allied armor in general vs. Axis armor.
The biggest problem is a lack of scalability, but that is a problem with allied armor in general vs. Axis armor.
25 Jul 2015, 05:59 AM
#14
Posts: 670
I myself bought 14 OKW factions during a Steam sale last year for alt accounts
25 Jul 2015, 06:31 AM
#15
Posts: 4928
I still wonder at what point they decided to completely remove the 76mm Sherman from the game. It's obvious from it's inclusion in Lend-Lease and the first trailer that it was intended to be part of the USF.
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25 Jul 2015, 06:43 AM
#16
Posts: 1891
I still wonder at what point they decided to completely remove the 76mm Sherman from the game. It's obvious from it's inclusion in Lend-Lease and the first trailer that it was intended to be part of the USF.
"Guys...what if...HE"
The entire USF faction design
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25 Jul 2015, 11:02 AM
#17
Posts: 393
Cult of the M10
Except nobody should be forced to rely on a single doctrine. But I do love those things.
25 Jul 2015, 11:31 AM
#18
4 Posts: 1194 | Subs: 1
You know, mech support doctrine let's you use light vehicles and still get your sherman out at relatively the same time as you would rushing it...
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29 Jul 2015, 06:59 AM
#19
Posts: 758
i would like it they could include a 76mm gun upgrade for the sherman in a similar fashion just like in CoH1
29 Jul 2015, 07:05 AM
#20
Posts: 17889 | Subs: 8
@up
Why if there already is EZ8 and jackson?
Why if there already is EZ8 and jackson?
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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