Relic has a very, very huge history of over buffing units. See: The M5 Quadmount.
And the SU-76 isn't overbuffed, it's just nobody knows how to handle it because it's been dead for a year.
Su-76 no longer needs free barrage?
11 Aug 2015, 21:11 PM
#61
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And the SU-76 isn't overbuffed, it's just nobody knows how to handle it because it's been dead for a year.
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11 Aug 2015, 21:18 PM
#62
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And the SU-76 isn't overbuffed, it's just nobody knows how to handle it because it's been dead for a year.
I don't think the issue is "handling it" (although it does highlight how shitty it is Ost has no 60 range TD) but rather than it's killed Soviet T4. It's simply to cost efficient comparatively. It got tripled buffed, it comes earlier, it has double the pen it used to, and it got more health.
11 Aug 2015, 21:56 PM
#63
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I don't think the issue is "handling it" (although it does highlight how shitty it is Ost has no 60 range TD) but rather than it's killed Soviet T4. It's simply to cost efficient comparatively. It got tripled buffed, it comes earlier, it has double the pen it used to, and it got more health.
That's a problem with T4 then. The T-34/76 has little shock value, and the SU-85 doesn't do a much better job than the SU-76.
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11 Aug 2015, 22:02 PM
#64
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IMO, after going through it in my post (SU-76) I've concluded the SU-76 should go with these changes.
A) Pennetration nerf so it can't fight tigers and Panthers
B) barrage buff to compensate so it has good AI.
That way we can
A) make Tier 4 worth getting
B) keep the SU-76 as a good strong early-midgame unit
I rather see a flexible SU-76 than a laser cannon SU-76, pew pewing KTs and Tigers.
A) Pennetration nerf so it can't fight tigers and Panthers
B) barrage buff to compensate so it has good AI.
That way we can
A) make Tier 4 worth getting
B) keep the SU-76 as a good strong early-midgame unit
I rather see a flexible SU-76 than a laser cannon SU-76, pew pewing KTs and Tigers.
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11 Aug 2015, 22:29 PM
#65
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I wonder how they gonna whine if they make this happen. nerf su76 and buff smth useful in return. Cant fix stupid i guess.
currently US has not a sibgle OP unit. Nothing even close to be OP. including su76 is mediocre in its role of light vehicle destroyer.
currently US has not a sibgle OP unit. Nothing even close to be OP. including su76 is mediocre in its role of light vehicle destroyer.
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11 Aug 2015, 22:36 PM
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And the SU-76 isn't overbuffed, it's just nobody knows how to handle it because it's been dead for a year.
Aaaand /thread.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
11 Aug 2015, 22:41 PM
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Permanently BannedThe barrage really isnt that good. I think su76 pen is a tad high. like 15-20. But nothing too OP.
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11 Aug 2015, 23:04 PM
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That's a problem with T4 then. The T-34/76 has little shock value, and the SU-85 doesn't do a much better job than the SU-76.
No medium has shock value anymore. And theres nothing wrong with T4. The problem is that T3 is to cheap.
11 Aug 2015, 23:31 PM
#69
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And the SU-76 isn't overbuffed, it's just nobody knows how to handle it because it's been dead for a year.
I think considering how in the past it had to compete against the SU-85, and reasons for building Tier 4 are very different to building Tier 3 now...
I'd have to say leaving the SU-76 with its old stats is a mistake. Its not OP, just it has to be tuned a bit.
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12 Aug 2015, 00:11 AM
#70
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IMO they should actually buff the barrage a bit (not a lot), then add a cost. Like 30 munitions or 45 or something but it's actually a legit solid barrage. That way individual barrages will be more effective (they're frustratingly random atm, sometimes incredible, sometimes abysmal) but you can't spam them.
12 Aug 2015, 00:25 AM
#71
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IMO they should actually buff the barrage a bit (not a lot), then add a cost. Like 30 munitions or 45 or something but it's actually a legit solid barrage. That way individual barrages will be more effective (they're frustratingly random atm, sometimes incredible, sometimes abysmal) but you can't spam them.
Considering Sovs don't really have any muni sinks, you still can.
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12 Aug 2015, 01:19 AM
#72
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Well maybe when they fix molotovs...
12 Aug 2015, 01:25 AM
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12 Aug 2015, 02:22 AM
#74
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That's a problem with T4 then. The T-34/76 has little shock value, and the SU-85 doesn't do a much better job than the SU-76.
SU-85 still have its value in late game, it have much better armor and health wont' be dead from 3 shots of any tank. vet3 85 is beast, while vet 3 SU76 is still paper
12 Aug 2015, 02:34 AM
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Aaaand /thread.
Firstly, we'll call that shot. Secondly, why not simmer down when discussing things and try to be polite for a change?
12 Aug 2015, 03:46 AM
#76
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Firstly, we'll call that shot. Secondly, why not simmer down when discussing things and try to be polite for a change?
He often insults people, but this is the post that goes too far?
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12 Aug 2015, 05:31 AM
#77
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Have any of you people actually done the math on Soviet vs Ostheer tech?
Even when you 0 fuel advantage over an Ostheer player, which is hard to imagine considering how super effective M5 quad rushes are, you can still get out a quad and 2 SU76s before a P4 hits the field.
Dude, stop exaggerating this quad rush effectiveness stuff. Its not as effective as you make it to be.
And how much does t SU 76s cost?
12 Aug 2015, 05:36 AM
#78
1 Posts: 440
10 Kappa, have had so many thing taken out by barrages from a SU-76. 40 then but that's the minimum
40 munis? for that barrage? are you gardening out of your gardening mind?
12 Aug 2015, 05:51 AM
#79
Posts: 928
Dude, stop exaggerating this quad rush effectiveness stuff. Its not as effective as you make it to be.
And how much does t SU 76s cost?
It is really strong atm, I don't think he's wrong.
Put it this way, if you're not pushing Germans off the field/forcing turtle with T3 Sovs, you're doing something wrong.
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12 Aug 2015, 06:05 AM
#80
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It is really strong atm, I don't think he's wrong.
Put it this way, if you're not pushing Germans off the field/forcing turtle with T3 Sovs, you're doing something wrong.
Did you see the Von Ivan stream a few days ago, where he did 2v2s with Hans. Von built Quads but didnt work out for him. People are ready for the quads now
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