Shreks need long range accuracy nerf

Jump back to quoted post9 Nov 2014, 21:22 PMPorygon

Wut?

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2014, 00:01 AMLokust22

...was making the penetration drop off drastically at long range, reducing the effectiveness of the late game blob, while maintaining the effectiveness of the emergency shreck purchased in response to the light vehicle rush.

Jump back to quoted post9 Nov 2014, 23:17 PMsneakking

So you're gonna tell me you've never seen a schreck'd pgren squad instagib a few bunched models before?

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2014, 00:48 AMMr. Someguy

Panzerschrecks are actually less likely to hit an Infantry unit than an Anti-Tank gun. The accuracy isn't what causes blobbing either, it's a compound problem. Panzerschrecks on a cheap and numerous unit like Volksgrenadiers cause them to vet up quickly, while killing them is more difficult due to numbers, and the ones you do kill are cheap to reinforce. Throw in Obersoldaten to pick up the pace, and you have a blob that can counter vehicles and infantry at the same time.

Lastly, the Raketenwerfer has a short range, weak crew, no crew cover, and a 1 second aim time, compared to the Pak 40 which has good range, a weak crew, heavy cover, and fires almost instantly. The Raketenwerfer is only really useful in buildings. This means players cannot rely on the Raketenwerfer and are forced to make Volks with Panzerschrecks as their main AT, which of course leads to blobbing them up.

Remove Panzerschrecks from Volks and make the Raketenwerfer worthwhile, and OKW will be much less blobby-bobby.

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2014, 02:19 AM__deleted__

Which on the other hand would instantly make Volks worthless. Volks live, die and gain vet by their Schreck...

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2014, 03:25 AMluvnest

Shrecks are not the problem, just the way OKW gets access to them. Giving the basic infantry volks just promotes blobbing them. Panzershrecks on PGrens are fine, they are an dedicated AT squad.

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2014, 02:24 AMFestiveLongJohns

I fully agree that shrecks are way to effective, but any nerf to the OKW shreck needs to be paired with a buff to the raketen. The main reason everyone spams shrecks as OKW is because the raketen is generally a steaming pile of crap unless its in a building.

Jump back to quoted post9 Nov 2014, 16:59 PMwongtp

i suggested it once, brought it up many times and was constantly shafted to the side, but yes. this this and this, it promotes blobby play, no brainer upgrades and insane vet opportunities. if mediums had a chance to wreck stuff at range, it would be a much more balanced game, rather than every single game is all about, blob schrecks, blob obers into schrecks,stuka for support teams, rape everything until JT/KT and end game.

it really takes a good katyusha hit though, to really destroy the blob. reduce schreck effective range.

Jump back to quoted post11 Nov 2014, 05:28 AMUGBEAR

PG seems too lackluster, I think they need a recived accuracy reduction and more love, or single shreck upgrade, making it elite troop for wehr, if necessary increase its tier.