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27 Aug 2014, 14:50 PM
#81
avatar of BrutusHR

Posts: 262

Sturms also repair the truck SUPER FAST.


What? You used that as argument?
This is good news for allies. That means that the truck doesn't have very much HP. It's not the case that sturms repair super fast that individual truck, because repair works that time/=HP repaired (lets say repair speed is 25hp per sec ). Get it?
Sorry for lazy explanation.
Derpface.
27 Aug 2014, 14:57 PM
#82
avatar of dasheepeh

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It is an exploit. There cant be any denial about that. If there is, its really beyond me. Its a free "unit" that comes instantly and can be used to destroy cover, crush houses or push infantry so they cant shoot, while Sturmpios wreck them without taking any fire themselves.
This whole pushing thing. Do you really think its fair? Its not.

"But you can use Dodge or M3!"
One is doctrinal and the other one is bound to a tier choice. Just to counter a free support truck. Are you fucking kidding me.
27 Aug 2014, 15:10 PM
#83
avatar of BrutusHR

Posts: 262

It is an exploit. There cant be any denial about that. If there is, its really beyond me. Its a free "unit" that comes instantly and can be used to destroy cover, crush houses or push infantry so they cant shoot, while Sturmpios wreck them without taking any fire themselves.
This whole pushing thing. Do you really think its fair? Its not.

"But you can use Dodge or M3!"
One is doctrinal and the other one is bound to a tier choice. Just to counter a free support truck. Are you fucking kidding me.


Used that "exploit" couple of times just to see what the fuss is about that, wont use it again, no need to use truck to destroy cover, because in some point in game il probably need to use it, and early fight is easy to dictate where to fight. To push units? Not that good, and in case of sturmpios where i need to get on point blank for fight then that truck can be problem to me too. Maybe works with volks, but my volks arrive as 3rd unit, bit to late for taking my truck for pushing. I mean, i see why that is annoying, but the reason its "free unit" does not matter! First Sturm pios are free unit too, are they allowed to fight? U meant that is stupid to use truck for distrubing infantry?
27 Aug 2014, 15:38 PM
#84
avatar of dasheepeh

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Used that "exploit" couple of times just to see what the fuss is about that, wont use it again, no need to use truck to destroy cover, because in some point in game il probably need to use it, and early fight is easy to dictate where to fight. To push units? Not that good, and in case of sturmpios where i need to get on point blank for fight then that truck can be problem to me too. Maybe works with volks, but my volks arrive as 3rd unit, bit to late for taking my truck for pushing. I mean, i see why that is annoying, but the reason its "free unit" does not matter! First Sturm pios are free unit too, are they allowed to fight? U meant that is stupid to use truck for distrubing infantry?


Did you ever play Allies? Did you ever got your early game screwed up because the truck pushed your units making them unable to shoot while Sturmpios had their fun? Followed up by a Kübel to suppress your shit? And that followed up with Volks? At your cutoff? No?
27 Aug 2014, 15:47 PM
#85
avatar of broodwarjc

Posts: 824

Of all the the bugs and map changes, and problematic factions designs; this really ranks low. Now you know how frustrating it is to fight Maxim spam, M3 flame car, WC51 jeep, or Bar Rifles with Volks for several minutes until you can get a building and some type of soft counter for it up. I don't even see many players on their streams use this tactic that often due to the risk of losing their truck. Maybe players just need to move to another part of the map and cap there if they see the OKW truck.
27 Aug 2014, 15:55 PM
#86
avatar of Katitof

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Of all the the bugs and map changes, and problematic factions designs; this really ranks low. Now you know how frustrating it is to fight Maxim spam, M3 flame car, WC51 jeep, or Bar Rifles with Volks for several minutes until you can get a building and some type of soft counter for it up. I don't even see many players on their streams use this tactic that often due to the risk of losing their truck. Maybe players just need to move to another part of the map and cap there if they see the OKW truck.


You should watch Jesulin then, truck pushing(and before driving over) is his trademark move.

Also, maxims, M3s with flame CEs, Dodge, Bar rifles cost resources. SWs trucks don't and you can be legally map hacked to see which tier you build as soviets.
27 Aug 2014, 16:13 PM
#87
avatar of BrutusHR

Posts: 262



Did you ever play Allies? Did you ever got your early game screwed up because the truck pushed your units making them unable to shoot while Sturmpios had their fun? Followed up by a Kübel to suppress your shit? And that followed up with Volks? At your cutoff? No?


Yeap, someone tried that against me, didn't made a big problem, who knows, he probably didn't used that truck very good.

Well, that is just unacceptable, he even made volks?? Just after the kubel? Omg, so many units to build in his HQ and he build that, just dont say that he danced with a truck in front of your units and he managed to build kubel and then volks and truck was still alive, at your cutoff??
If that isn't the case, then why did u said that build order? Saying that build order makes only sense that they were all in fight while truck was still there dancing near your base. (cutoff, right?)
27 Aug 2014, 16:31 PM
#88
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Yeap, someone tried that against me, didn't made a big problem, who knows, he probably didn't used that truck very good.

Well, that is just unacceptable, he even made volks?? Just after the kubel? Omg, so many units to build in his HQ and he build that, just dont say that he danced with a truck in front of your units and he managed to build kubel and then volks and truck was still alive, at your cutoff??
If that isn't the case, then why did u said that build order? Saying that build order makes only sense that they were all in fight while truck was still there dancing near your base. (cutoff, right?)


I dont think you got the point.
The truck ( that is supposed to be "transformed" into a base building later on ), gives you an unfair advantage, because it can push your opponents units and make them unable to shoot at your troops. Your opponent takes damage without dealing any. And why? Because a free, unarmed support truck that is supposed to be a base building is pushing you with low risk. Why low risk? Because only a M3 or a Dodge can kill it in reasonable time. You understand that?
You can render the enemies troops useless by using a damn support truck. And then you can combine your truck with your units, preferably a Kübel and Volks. He cant come back, because he lost the early engagements without dealing any proper damage, and because your whole army is sitting at his cutoff.

Honestly, i cant even understand why you are defending this. It is unfair. And by the way, it appears you barely played any games. You played 2 games with Allies total. And you are trying to tell me that its fine?
27 Aug 2014, 16:45 PM
#89
avatar of elchino7
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jump backJump back to quoted post26 Aug 2014, 16:56 PMPorygon


Because it is super easy to damage the truck by using M3/WC51, or even Rifles, if the damage carry to the HQ buildings it won't even withstand a few mortar shots, which is totally retarded.

Also, his SC2 drone example is absolutely wrong. Drone with 1 HP will morph into a full HP pool.


If you can´t stand the risk, then you shouldn´t go for scout/push with the truck. I think that this is the solution to this "problem". Make HP of truck correlate to HP of building. If you want to soak damage early game with sws truck, you will have to waste time later repairing your building.

On the other hand, you could just reduce the speed/acceleration of the truck, increasing the risk for going on an offensive push and getting on a risky position.

PD: his example was bad, but drones don´t have roach hp :P
27 Aug 2014, 17:02 PM
#90
avatar of BrutusHR

Posts: 262




Honestly, i cant even understand why you are defending this. It is unfair. And by the way, it appears you barely played any games. You played 2 games with Allies total. And you are trying to tell me that its fine?


Nope, not defending it. I said my experience and that i won't make that tactic again, because there is no need for additional risk.
Then i said that i played against it, didn't saw big problem and then i was interested how is possible that someone used that truck that long at your cutoff. I even said that it is annoying/stupid to use that ability.
I didnt play alot of allies, but im sure that there is more than 2 games :) This profile card is kinda lame.
It is unfair, but the fact that the unit is free doesn't matter.
Really don't care how they gonna fix this, unless there is bigger impact on gameplay. I just didn't tought that this is so hard to deal with, guess im wrong. No hard feelings, im kinda lame on expressing my thoughts :)
27 Aug 2014, 17:14 PM
#91
avatar of QueenRatchet123

Posts: 2280 | Subs: 2

Permanently Banned
Why are players defending this obvious EXPLOIT?
30 Aug 2014, 19:36 PM
#92
avatar of Aerohank

Posts: 2693 | Subs: 1

What pains me the most is when people who are already good at the game abuse the truck pushing mechanic. Have some dignity you twats.
30 Aug 2014, 19:51 PM
#93
avatar of Thunderhun

Posts: 1617

Just reduce the truck's speed as hell.
30 Aug 2014, 23:11 PM
#94
avatar of Arclyte

Posts: 692

Units moving out of the way of vehicles is to avoid being crushed and to avoid vehicles getting stuck

OKW truck can't crush, and should never be in a position to get stuck

Remove its ability to push infantry, it doesn't need it for either reason
31 Aug 2014, 03:35 AM
#95
avatar of Nuclear Arbitor
Patrion 28

Posts: 2470

should it be pushing? no.

can they make it not without affecting the way the truck works right now? no.
31 Aug 2014, 13:29 PM
#96
avatar of Bulgakov

Posts: 987

What pains me the most is when people who are already good at the game abuse the truck pushing mechanic. Have some dignity you twats.


Man, I agree it can be considered an unfair advantage but you can't call someone a "twat" for using OP stuff. Especially when you yourself are a good player who abuses plenty of stuff too.


I think there's so much abuse going on on both sides that pretty much nothing can be considered abuse anymore.


I don't think it can push maxims though, so try Vonivans pr0 8-Maxim to ISU strat.
31 Aug 2014, 13:58 PM
#97
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I think there's so much abuse going on on both sides that pretty much nothing can be considered abuse anymore.


Most Experts from vCoH exploited an exploit ig they found one, iirc. e.g. even normally fair-minded players like Sepha, with Staghounds. On the other hand, in fairness, I don't recall top level players abusing with 'Roos, though I am probably wrong on that.


I don't think it can push maxims though, so try Vonivans pr0 8-Maxim to ISU strat.


There's a whiff of Axis indignation moving in, I feel it ;)
31 Aug 2014, 14:35 PM
#98
avatar of pigsoup
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I think there's so much abuse going on on both sides that pretty much nothing can be considered abuse anymore.


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why is it that there's always at least one guy who wants to impede progress by making it a wash...

e.g.

topic: jagdtiger is ridiculous...
reply: well isu is ridiculous too

topic: okw puma overperforms
reply: well, all the other shits okw have is shit (apparently)

and now we want to talk about this glaringly obvious exploit and the reply is 'oh well, there's just too many other exploit to fix this shit etc etc'.
31 Aug 2014, 14:41 PM
#99
avatar of Aerohank

Posts: 2693 | Subs: 1



Man, I agree it can be considered an unfair advantage but you can't call someone a "twat" for using OP stuff. Especially when you yourself are a good player who abuses plenty of stuff too.


What do I abuse?
31 Aug 2014, 15:03 PM
#100
avatar of Abdul

Posts: 896



What do I abuse?


mines!!!!!!!!
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