Why does the Firefly have to suck so much?

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2019, 09:26 AMSeductiveCardbordBox

Spoken as a peak example of somebody who has only ever lost tanks to a Firefly, and never had to try and use one.

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2019, 09:02 AMStug life

it's already cost efficient, best accuracy, best mid range (so even more pen and accuracy), one of the best vet, turret
if we add tulips and tank commander it's beast that can stun and one shoot tanks

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2019, 11:50 AMSuperHansFan

... As it stands noone us going to lock themselves out of the Churchill and OKW repair speeds just for the nerfed war speed and satchel charges.

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2019, 11:50 AMSuperHansFan

I'm of the opinion it performs the same as a jagdpanzer, just the JP comes stock with good DPS and gets defensive vet (17 target size+vet make it a pain to kill even chasing with meds). FF gets offensive vet and lacks DPS but a tiny bit more mobility.

Yet jp is cheaper and less popcap, imo this is the issue. Just a small price drop so they're at the same level.

It's also worth mentioning war speed and tracking are locked in a dead tech tier because the comet is a waste of fuel. I think if hammer wasn't so "meh" people would feel a bit better for spending 440mp 155f+muni on the firefly. As it stands noone us going to lock themselves out of the Churchill and OKW repair speeds just for the nerfed war speed and satchel charges.

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2019, 12:10 PMVipper

5 men Heavy sapper actually reaper faster than SP.

Hammer also provides hammer trucking which is a very powerful ability especially for TDs.

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2019, 12:31 PMSuperHansFan

Pretty sure sturms repair faster with vet? But then you also have the mech truck pios. Brits can struggle to keep up with that without a couple heavy sapper.

Hammer tracking is nice but it's no 55 range LoS like on a command panther. Hammer is dead in current meta for a reason

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2019, 12:28 PMStug life

i believe the m36 fits better as they have similar dps and pen

while the jp has lower pen and no turret so no don't compare price to it, it's like comparing the okw p4 to the Sherman and saying okw p4 needs to cost less

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2019, 12:32 PMStug life

they nerfed repair speed like 2 patches ago, the command panther is form a commander get valentine if u want line of sight, and the mech pios are not free

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2019, 12:31 PMSuperHansFan

Hammer tracking is nice but it's no 55 range LoS like on a command panther. Hammer is dead in current meta for a reason

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2019, 13:13 PMVipper

Comparing a stock ("free" as some would describe it) ability with a expensive doctrinal unit is simply flawed or you simply want to rant about a OKW unit.

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2019, 13:21 PMLago

Don't you think this is a little hypocritical of you? You always complain about people making things personal whenever your own motives are questioned.

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2019, 13:21 PMLago

The Command Panther is relevant: it's a very common unit, and sight advantage is only an advantage when it allows you to outspot the enemy. Does 45 sight vs 40 sight make that much of a difference when the enemy has 55? You're still outranged.

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2019, 12:36 PMSuperHansFan

JP makes up for low pen with good accuracy and spitting out great RoF. Also you forget outside of Pershing and is-2 there's not really anything it can struggle to pen anyway.

Churchill's while they will bounce the odd shot are just big vet sponges for the jp.

Jackson I would say is a poor comparison, it's mobile, not 60 range and the turret doesn't move so slow. I think the firefly has a one armed dwarf cranking the turret, so it fairs a bit better on urban maps than FF or JP

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2019, 12:48 PMSuperHansFan

5man, hammer, heavy sappers upgrade aren't free either so what's your point? It's entirely compatible to OKW sturms and mech repair.

I use panther here as an example because with the FF tracking if another tank gets a shot off it can track a single shot at 60 range for a few seconds. Which is perfectly ok, but some vehicles like command panther self spotting and can shoot at max range 100% of the time anyway.

So in the grand scheme of things doesn't make hammer worth the 50f and lockout of repair+church.

Please give me your reasons why you think hammer is not a dead tech choice, because I've not seen the likes of Hans pick it in months. This is despite such players building fireflies...

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2019, 12:36 PMSuperHansFan

JP makes up for low pen with good accuracy and spitting out great RoF. Also you forget outside of Pershing and is-2 there's not really anything it can struggle to pen anyway.

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2019, 12:36 PMSuperHansFan

JP makes up for low pen with good accuracy and spitting out great RoF. Also you forget outside of Pershing and is-2 there's not really anything it can struggle to pen anyway.

Churchill's while they will bounce the odd shot are just big vet sponges for the jp.

Jackson I would say is a poor comparison, it's mobile, not 60 range and the turret doesn't move so slow. I think the firefly has a one armed dwarf cranking the turret, so it fairs a bit better on urban maps than FF or JP

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2019, 11:50 AMSuperHansFan

I'm of the opinion it performs the same as a jagdpanzer, just the JP comes stock with good DPS and gets defensive vet (17 target size+vet make it a pain to kill even chasing with meds). FF gets offensive vet and lacks DPS but a tiny bit more mobility.

Jump back to quoted post14 Mar 2019, 00:40 AMdistrofio

Id love to see sniping scopes on FF. Something like Su-85 when they use that spotting skill. As a tradeoff FF get immobile while using sniping scopes.