Pak43 :mvgame:
Alex not knowing how much LeFh goes to show his extent of experience with the thing
Regardless precision shot>>>Counter barrage.
Who needs heavy tanks...when you got...
5 Mar 2015, 15:31 PM
#41
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Regardless precision shot>>>Counter barrage.
5 Mar 2015, 15:35 PM
#42
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Not really. For mortars sure, for LeFH CB rocks.
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5 Mar 2015, 15:36 PM
#43
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Arty is so not the meta right now, exception is B4. I have only seen Stephen build ML-20 and that is about it.
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5 Mar 2015, 15:38 PM
#44
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Not really. For mortars sure, for LeFH CB rocks.
Really. Especially using the ML-20 vs OKW medtruck...it's pretty fucking devastating.
5 Mar 2015, 15:52 PM
#45
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Pak43 :mvgame:
Alex not knowing how much LeFh goes to show his extent of experience with the thing
True, but:
I was thinking of indirect fire weapon as... thats pretty much what the thread is about.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
5 Mar 2015, 16:17 PM
#46
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200 dmg vs 80 dmg per shot.
"slightly"
And costing 100 menpower more then what? There is not a single unit in game that costs 500mp.
The LefH costs 500 mp, can't move and does 160 damage if it hits the unit directly so it's like firing an AT gun directly into the air. It's AoE Radius is 7.5, the AoE radius of the 120mm mortar is 6. The 120mm mortar does 100 damage.
So what's better, a unit that literally does only 60 more damage with a much higher chance to miss, while also costing a buttfuck load of MP in a MP starved faction and can't move. Or a unit that costs 100 MP less, can move and reposition at the battle lines flow, and 1 shot any any Ostheer squad in the game reliably.
Alex not knowing how much LeFh goes to show his extent of experience with the thing
Iv used it since the game came out, then it was nerfed, and now I don't waste my time with it because Ostheer ain't exactly kings of the MP float to build it. It also comes in absolute garbage commanders.
5 Mar 2015, 16:21 PM
#47
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Boy if you think the ML20 is great wait until you build a Priest.
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5 Mar 2015, 16:26 PM
#48
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Yeah, the Priest is a lot of fun, especially when you can move it close enough to the front that it's scatter is quite good and the creeping line barrage is great on maps like Eddlefucked.
5 Mar 2015, 16:28 PM
#49
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indirect fire shoutout from the USF camp!
It's 4v4. It's not a problem to shine in 4v4. If unit is amazing in 4v4 but useless in 1v1 then we have design problem. Priest is amazing in teamgames but in 1v1 is almost useless.
5 Mar 2015, 16:34 PM
#50
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Good in 2's 3's and 4's but useless in ones is common to many units across every faction in the game.
More of an example of retarded faction design really.
More of an example of retarded faction design really.
5 Mar 2015, 16:37 PM
#51
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Preist is useful in 1v1! For giving vet to OKW Panthers 
The PTRS's are fine as they are. Whenever i'm up against Guard Infantry, I always have to be careful with my vehicles or the Guards will completely destroy them. Good range, good damage and fairly cheap; if anything, the PTRS should nerfed since it's ridiculously good for the price. Even in the hands of Conscripts, the PTRS's are extremely potent.
5 Mar 2015, 16:57 PM
#52
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The LefH costs 500 mp, can't move and does 160 damage if it hits the unit directly so it's like firing an AT gun directly into the air. It's AoE Radius is 7.5, the AoE radius of the 120mm mortar is 6. The 120mm mortar does 100 damage.
I could call you stiupid, but it would be vast understatement.
lefh costs 600
mistake one
deals 200 dmh
mistake two
120mm deals 80 dmg, just as any other mortar, that was changed EONS ago
mistake three
And you're comparing apples to oranges-mistake four.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
5 Mar 2015, 16:59 PM
#53
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LeFH costs 600 MP and comes in some really good commanders and Ost does not depend on call ins so you give upp less
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5 Mar 2015, 17:07 PM
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I could call you stiupid, but it would be vast understatement.
lefh costs 600
mistake one
deals 200 dmh
mistake two
120mm deals 80 dmg, just as any other mortar, that was changed EONS ago
mistake three
And you're comparing apples to oranges-mistake four.
Ah It does cost 600, but it doesn't do 200 damage, and the 120mm mortar does 100.
And no, I'm comparing indirect fire units to indirect fire units. The 120mm can move, retreat, and has far more squad wipe potential due to not having a long cool down after each barrage and facing smaller squad sizes.
le FH 18 10.5cm main gun howitzer_105mm_gun_mp.xml
Potential dps:
33.68421052631579
Penetration:
1000.0/1000.0/1000.0
Scatter angle:
9.25
Scatter distance:
18.5
AoE radius:
7.5
AoE far:
5.625
AoE mid:
3.75
AoE near:
1.875
Damage min:
160.0
Damage max:
160.0
The damage you are look at it for when it hits vet 3.
HM_38 120mm Mortar hm_38_120mm_mortar_mp.xml
Name:
HM_38 120mm Mortar
File name:
hm_38_120mm_mortar_mp.xml
Nation:
soviet
Potential dps:
7.677543186180422
Penetration:
35.0/35.0/35.0
Scatter angle:
10.0
Scatter distance:
10.0
AoE radius:
6.0
AoE far:
4.5
AoE mid:
3.0
AoE near:
1.5
Damage
Damage min:
100.0
Damage max:
100.0
5 Mar 2015, 17:08 PM
#55
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LeFH costs 600 MP and comes in some really good commanders and Ost does not depend on call ins so you give upp less
in 4v4?
in 1v1 almost all the time you depends on Tiger
5 Mar 2015, 17:16 PM
#56
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in 4v4?
in 1v1 almost all the time you depends on Tiger
Well refer to my signature. 4v4 is a lolmode where if both teams are equal, 4 Ost all with German Infantry could still win it.
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5 Mar 2015, 17:17 PM
#57
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A team of 4 Ostheer is going to lose in the first 6 minutes of the game if they are facing more than a single USF opponent of equal skill no matter what doctrine you pick.
5 Mar 2015, 17:19 PM
#58
Posts: 521
A team of 4 Ostheer is going to lose in the first 6 minutes of the game if they are facing more than a single USF opponent of equal skill no matter what doctrine you pick.
Just because MG42 isn't insta force retreat doesn't mean it's not effective at stalling USF in team games.
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5 Mar 2015, 17:22 PM
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Rifles are just going to turn your anus instead out dude, 4 Ostheer is suicide and no amount of skill can change the fact that USF early game is god tier versus Ostheer.
5 Mar 2015, 17:30 PM
#60
Posts: 97
Well refer to my signature. 4v4 is a lolmode where if both teams are equal, 4 Ost all with German Infantry could still win it.
didnt saw it dude, sorry
then yeah, isnt too hard to go t4 with Werhmacht in 4v4 or 3v3
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