Winter balance (1/2020) feedback OKW

Jump back to quoted post4 Feb 2020, 20:23 PMVipper

You are confusing consistency and faction design. Each faction has its own trademark and OKW being able to built outside their base is one of their trademarks.

If OKW losing a T4 should deny their Tiger, then USF Major who comes with allot of utility should have an added 90 fuel cost and be required to be alive to call-in a Pershing...

Bottom line is that requiring T4 to call-in a JT or Tiger does not have to with balancing OKW that still have access to KT but has to do with the respective commanders and denying access to this units is not a good way to balance these commanders.

Jump back to quoted post8 Feb 2020, 03:58 AMKubelecer

USF's trademark is it's tech giving you a "free" squad, which in this case is the major. Why can you use the trademark for OKW defending points but not for USF getting a squad?

BTW major's "a lot of utility" is not worth the fuel.

Jump back to quoted post8 Feb 2020, 03:58 AMKubelecer

Also, whats easier to keep alive, a 3man squad or a building?

Jump back to quoted post8 Feb 2020, 03:58 AMKubelecer

If you want to stall for very heavy doctrinal tanks, why should you also be allowed to take early game benefits (putting trucks far forward) without risking being punished for it? If your commander has lategame vehicles, why shouldn't you play like you are playing for the lategame?

Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2020, 23:34 PMdistrofio

No fuel points or ammo points are worth losing a tank production.



Because of that i can say there is no further need to punish OKW players for its T4 placement.

Jump back to quoted post8 Feb 2020, 12:39 PMSander93

This is exactly the reason why the Tiger and the Jagdtiger require T4. The risk of putting T4 at a greedy position on a high resource point is not worth the reward. That's why the risk can't be removed. Otherwise there would be only reward. If these tanks didn't require an active T4, players planning on rushing a Tiger/JT would be able to simply put their T4 on the fuel to create a free no go zone for as long as the T4 can hold it and losing it wouldn't really matter (assuming the call-in will close the game). This is already the case with the Tiger II, but at least that one requires additional teching costs.

The base line remains the same. T4 can be used as a free area denial tool in a relatively forward position where it can still be defended. Greedy placement should be punishable. And if a player is planning on getting a call-in, they should place it somewhere safe.

Jump back to quoted post8 Feb 2020, 13:19 PMVipper

and increase armor/HP when built in base.

Jump back to quoted post8 Feb 2020, 16:18 PMSander93

As far as I know Schwerer has similar HP (armor doesn't matter) as other tech structures.
Putting it in base means it's safe from off-maps.

Jump back to quoted post8 Feb 2020, 16:23 PMblvckdream

Why can the KT be called in without active T4 but JT and Tiger can't? I never really understood the reasoning behind it.

IMO KT, ST and JT should remain available if the T4 structure has been destroyed. Tiger should be the only one that is locked behind active T4 due to how strong it is. At least for how the balance is right now, this would make the most sense.

Jump back to quoted post8 Feb 2020, 16:44 PMVipper

Agree. I would also add the C. Panther, Hetzer and Ostwind.

The Tiger should be fixed in timing, cost and power and then it should be available even without the building.

Jump back to quoted post8 Feb 2020, 17:40 PMMr Carmine

I am curious. How do you come to the idea of excempting the ostwind c panther and hetzer from t4 being destroyed to be called in?

Isent it and imo it is netter to ty callins to tech. The kv1 t34 85 need the structure to be up. So do most medium callins to my knowlidge. So again why units such as you mentioned woudnt need to in your opninion.

Not being angry salty or something simaler. I am curious as to why.

Jump back to quoted post8 Feb 2020, 17:46 PMVipper

Because OKW truck die easier even in base and are more expensive to replace.

UKF/USF can even repair their building at no cost if they lose them.

In addition hezter/ostwind are specialized unit and not main battle tanks that can fulfill all roles. The T4 requirement for premium mediums is fine and I guess one could redesign the KV-8 and leave it out of the T4 building.

C. Panther follow the super heavy designed and should require the T4 to be on map as other Super heavies do not require the T4 to be on map.

(I can usually tell one someone is asking and genuine question and when one is simply trolling)

Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2020, 21:21 PMUnit G17

The Sturmpio combat package still costs 70 muni (like that winter coat is sooo important in auto match games, which should be the main focus of balancing).
Needs a price reduction or, as it was suggested before, allow the minesweeper to be acquired too. I know sturmpios having a schreck also means they can vet much faster, but still, that 70 muni is just too high. On top of that it means you need to get a second squad of pios for the sweeper, which is generally unadvised for OKW.

Jump back to quoted post10 Feb 2020, 02:52 AMPrussianGlory

If the Fallschirmjager are losing their Panzerfaust, can we get rid of the bulletin for it too? I'd hate to have a useless bulletin just sitting around if this unit is going to be losing a piece of kit they've had since they were introduced with the faction.

Jump back to quoted post12 Feb 2020, 17:47 PMMcq_knight

Can we please also looking removing the exclusivity of C. Panther + KT. It is no longer the super unit it once was (nerfed arrival, cost, and aura bonus).


With the KT in an awful spot, combining it with a CP will help bring it back into competition with C Tiger.

Jump back to quoted post12 Feb 2020, 17:47 PMMcq_knight

Can we please also looking removing the exclusivity of C. Panther + KT. It is no longer the super unit it once was (nerfed arrival, cost, and aura bonus).


With the KT in an awful spot, combining it with a CP will help bring it back into competition with C Tiger.

Jump back to quoted post12 Feb 2020, 20:35 PMKatitof

Its still a unit limited to 1 and do you really see nothing wrong in KT being able to 2-shot most vehicles with CP mark target?

The only unit limited to 1 that could potentially not be exclusive is ST.