COH2 winter balance mod - discussion

Jump back to quoted post30 Jan 2020, 14:52 PMZeroZeroNi

SO we are going to ignore the fact penals have 4 svt's +70% acc from vet. Did you ever even try to fight axis mainlines with vetted ptrs penals???? If you did you would not have this opinion.

Jump back to quoted post30 Jan 2020, 14:53 PMKatitof

Yes, we do, because 4 rifles do output a conscript level DPS and each model lost is 25% of DPS lost, LMG grens roflstomp them, while the squad itself has THE lowest received accuracy in game at vet3, meaning they will go down fast to any kind of weapon that can focus on a model.

i really don't know what you are talking about dude.

Jump back to quoted post30 Jan 2020, 15:18 PMKatitof

And now add these up to full squad DPS and include received accuracy differences.

Don't forget PTRS penals have 4 SVTs, not 6.

Jump back to quoted post30 Jan 2020, 16:11 PMZeroZeroNi

Really. OK,

Guards,

Mosins:
0-4: 4.7 dps
35: 1.4 dps

+ guards have 2 ptrs's

Grens,

Kar98k's:
0: 5.7 dps
4: 5.2 dps
35: 2.26 dps

Go in game and find out who exactly wins in a fight between grens and guards without lmg upgrades. You will be surprised.

Jump back to quoted post30 Jan 2020, 14:46 PMZeroZeroNi

Oh yeah, Try fighting vet3 ptrs penals vs vet5 stg volks from mid-long, see who wins. For some reason people thing ptrs penals are terrible at fighting infantry. But my experience says they are not. vet3 ptrs penals can still beat vet 3 lmg grens from close.

Jump back to quoted post30 Jan 2020, 14:53 PMKatitof

Yes, we do, because 4 rifles do output a conscript level DPS and each model lost is 25% of DPS lost, LMG grens roflstomp them, while the squad itself has THE lowest received accuracy in game at vet3, meaning they will go down fast to any kind of weapon that can focus on a model.

Game isn't about feels, but about stats.

Jump back to quoted post30 Jan 2020, 16:50 PMT.R. Stormjäger

Dude are you high?

PTRS Penals lose half their DPS when they drop two models and we’re talking about a squad that’s notoriously bad at scaling into the lategame without PTRS.

Jump back to quoted post30 Jan 2020, 16:50 PMT.R. Stormjäger

Nah dude, he spawned them next to eachother and the Penals won, that’s exactly what happens in a live game.

Jump back to quoted post30 Jan 2020, 16:38 PMBoz_Hower

Where the hell did Guard coming from? You were taking about Penal for an hour ago

Jump back to quoted post30 Jan 2020, 17:00 PMVipper

Penal vet bonuses are anything but bad.

Jump back to quoted post30 Jan 2020, 17:04 PMZeroZeroNi

Well you see, guards have worse stats then ptrs penals at all ranges but still tend to win close up.
Not that you'd ever see this in game cus face it guard dp's are a no brainer upgrade at least for me.

Jump back to quoted post30 Jan 2020, 17:02 PMZeroZeroNi

No dude, this is my experience from actually playing the game.

Jump back to quoted post30 Jan 2020, 17:10 PMT.R. Stormjäger

Your experience from playing is that you can push Axis lines with PTRS Penals?

You know it's quite annoying getting in threads only to see you argue the most BIZZARE things which takes up entire pages of threads.

Jump back to quoted post30 Jan 2020, 17:09 PMLago

You must share where you found these infinite munitions.

Jump back to quoted post30 Jan 2020, 17:19 PMZeroZeroNi

OMG, dude dude listen....
Does the fact that vetted ptrs penal beating vetted axis mainlines mean they are incompetent vs infantry???? answere this???
Use case is completely different subject. Would you wan't to defend a line vs allied attack with ass grens??? Probably not, does that mean they are terrible that they suck??? well no. They are not incompetent vs infantry either.

Sure they are not as useful/preferable in pushing axis lines as regular penals are. But in normal situations your push will be supported by other infantry + vehicles + recon + arty + abilities, so what's the point of asking this.

Jump back to quoted post30 Jan 2020, 17:19 PMZeroZeroNi

OMG, dude dude listen....
Does the fact that vetted ptrs penal beating vetted axis mainlines mean they are incompetent vs infantry???? answere this??? They don't. Grens never fight 1v1 unless you're a noob and you don't support them. Volks win.
Use case is completely different subject. Would you wan't to defend a line vs allied attack with ass grens??? Probably not, does that mean they are terrible that they suck??? well no. They are not incompetent vs infantry either. Assgrens can defend if you want. 6 men with smgs behind sandbags and can rush to flank. Bad example. PTRS Penals are shite vs infantry and have limited range vs tanks so they're not very useful.

Sure they are not as useful/preferable in pushing axis lines as regular penals are. But in normal situations your push will be supported by other infantry + vehicles + recon + arty + abilities, so what's the point of asking this. It won't be supported by all that, usually you're attacking with 1-2 penals, a T70 and a flamer in the midgame. Late game probably a T34/76 and maybe an MG extra replace the T70. Having 1 or 2 of these penals have PTRS kills your firepower when pushing.

Jump back to quoted post30 Jan 2020, 21:01 PMShadowLinkX37

Can we consider removing retreat from raketens? They're really cheesey against USF because of the lack of rocket arty and can just retreat away after gibbing tanks in blobs of 2.

Jump back to quoted post30 Jan 2020, 21:01 PMShadowLinkX37

Can we consider removing retreat from raketens? They're really cheesey against USF because of the lack of rocket arty and can just retreat away after gibbing tanks in blobs of 2.