well i guess okw has a secret tier 5 only kat can unlock
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well i guess okw has a secret tier 5 only kat can unlock
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I think it’s more fair to say the Jagdpanzer IV is a medium tank hunter/TD specialist, while the SU85 is a heavy tank sniper/TD.
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SU-85 is end tech TD.
JP4 is not.
Point with a finger which part is impossible to understand and we will all help you.
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if it's a medium TD why it's so expensive, if it's a heavy TD why it's pen so low ?
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if it's a medium TD why it's so expensive, if it's a heavy TD why it's pen so low ?
the jp4 has the price tag of an heavy TD but the pen of a medium TD
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Vet 5 Jagdpanzer also has first strike bonuses, significantly boosting its performance.
You can’t say it’s not as good as the SU85 when vet 5 Jagdpanzer is way better than vet 3 su85.
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The Vet 5 bonus used to be op now its marginally good and Vet 5 is extremely difficult to achieve.
And that is faction design vet 5 units are supposed to be better than vet 3 units...
Finally if that is your problem lets remove the hole camo mechanism and replace vet 1 ability camo ability with "tracking" (the same ability SU-85 gets) and then increase it's penetration to the same level and chance vet 5 with penetration bonuses. I am pretty sure that JP4 would see allot more action even without the camo and vet 5 first-strike bonus (which is primarily seen in 4vs4 games).
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The hell? I didn’t say change the Jagdpanzer IV, I said it’s not worse than SU85 since it gets way better than it after vet.
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Kat for once read the patch notes they removed the self spotting long ago, this just show u never saw a vet 2 jp proving the point futher
Because developers put it at that price and balance modders never seen it as an issue in the context of the faction and units performance.
What it lacks in firepower, it more then makes up in durability, being and with vet becoming even more durable then any other allied TD and having permanent self spotting built in.
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Vet 5 Jagdpanzer also has first strike bonuses, significantly boosting its performance.ah yea , really ? Would u get 25% reload damage and pen for 1 sheel or permanent 30% reload and pen ? Especially since the 40 more damage is useless unless you u add snares ?
You can’t say it’s not as good as the SU85 when vet 5 Jagdpanzer is way better than vet 3 su85.
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So you can't, it's ok.
JP is only slightly better than SU-85 vs mediums yet it more expensive. So that brings down you theory that SU-85 and SU-76 are "different TDs for different targets". The SU-85 can counter mediums just fine.
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ah yea , really ? Would u get 25% reload damage and pen for 1 sheel or permanent 30% reload and pen ? Especially since the 40 more damage is useless unless you u add snares ?
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not exactly... the JP4 is not penetrable by any medium and has higher DPS than the SU-85 while retaining enough penetration to punch through a medium anyways... it also is capable pushing out 60 range TDs thanks to its higher DPM...
id say thats a pretty significant advantage...
not saying the JP4 is entirely fine it may use a small increase in utility by applying switchable round types... but to deny the fact that the JP4 is better against mediums than allied heavy TDs are is BS
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That’s a horrible idea. Buffing the Panther’s AI will lead it to being spammed every game as it will have no drawbacks.
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Funny you mention reload in your example, because JP4 gets it and SU-85 does not, further cementing anti med tank role of JP4 and anti heavy role of SU-85.
Also, since when JP4 had its regular sight lowered to that of other vehicles? Last time I've checked, it still could still see further and self spot this way, just vet was removed.
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Funny you mention reload in your example, because JP4 gets it and SU-85 does not
That is incorrect SU-85 gets reload bonus with vet
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