SBP Change Notes

• 10% damage reduction versus squads in yellow cover removed. (Reversion)
  
• "Building AOE damage equalized to 1 at all ranged" removed. (Reversion)
  
• Standardization of minimum range to 30 removed. (Reversion)
  

• Retreat received accuracy modifier from 0.4 to 0.65 change removed. (Reversion)
  
• Ready aim time from 1 to 1.5 changed removed. (Reversion)
  

• Sturmtiger
  - All changes removed. (Reversion)
  

• Volksgrenadier Flame Grenades
  - Now requires a truck on the field. Does not require it to be set up. (Partial Reversion)
  

• Valiant Assaukt
  - Now has a 120 second cooldown instead of 60. (Addition)
  

• Le.IG 18
  - Smoke barrage maximum range changed to 25 (min) - 125 (max). (Partial Reversion)
  - SBP v1: 25 (min) - 100 (max), DBP: 35 (min) - 150 (max).
  

• Sturmpioneers
  - Stun Grenade damage increased to 10. (Partial Reversion)
  - SBP v1: 5 damage, DBP: 40 damage. Elite Troops Stun Grenades still do 5 damage.
  

• Hull Down
  - Reload bonuses are removed, range bonuses are not. (Clarification)
  

• Panzergrenadiers
  - Smoke grenade removed. (Reversion)
  - Panzershreck accuracy increase removed. (Reversion)
  

• Grw34 81mm Mortar
  - Veterancy 2 bonus to autoattack scatter removed. (Addition)
  

• 222 Armored Car
  - SBP v1 armor increases removed. (Reversion)
  - Coaxial MG far accuracy increased from 0.27 to 0.32. (Addition)
  - 20mm main gun no longer creates light cover. (Addition)
  - Coaxial MG now obeys attack commands. (Addition)
  

• Brummbar
  - SBP v1 changes (increased scatter) removed. (Reversion)
  - AOE distance changed from 1.25/2.5/3.75 to 0.625/1.25/6; applies to both auto-attack and bunker-buster. (Addition)
  - AOE damage changed from 1/0.3/0.05 to 1/0.35/0.2; applies to both auto-attack and bunker-buster. (Addition)
  

• StuG G
  
• SBP v1 changes (Vet 0 reload) removed. (Reversion)
  
• Reload from 3.5/4.5 to 4.5/5.5. (Addition)
  

• Tiger Ace
  
• Cost increased from 800 Manpower to 800 Manpower and 150 Fuel. (Addition)
  

• 81mm Mortar
  - Veterancy 2 auto-attack scatter bonus removed. (Addition)
  - AOE distance changed from 1/2/3 to 0.75/1.5/3 (Addition)
  

• Pack Howitzer
  - Autoattack range change removed. (Reversion)
  - AOE damage changed from 1/0.25/0.1 to 0.85/0.5/0.25. (Addition)
  

• Jackson
  - Range reduction removed. (Reversion)
  

• 82mm Mortar
  - Veterancy 2 auto-attack scatter bonus removed. (Addition)
  

• IL-2 Loiter
  - Loiter time reduction by 3 seconds removed. (Reversion)
  

• SU-76
  - SBP v1 changes (penetration and accuracy) removed. (Reversion)
  - Reload time increased from 2.9/3.4 to 3.9/4.4. (Addition)
  - Barrage changed to match the ZiS gun's barrage. This includes the 35 munition cost. (Addition)
  

• Guards Rifle Infantry
  - All changes but the pop cap increased removed. (Reversion)
  

• Conscript PPSh Upgrade
  - Number of PPSh SMGs restored from 2 to 3. (Reversion)
  - PPSh upgrade cost increased from 40 munitions to 60 munitions. (Addition)
  

• Tank Hunter Tactics
  - ML-20 to B4 swap removed. (Reversion)
  

• Katyusha, ISU-152, Penal Battalion, SU-85
  - All changes to units have been removed from the patch. (Reversion)
  

• HQ
  - Removed from patch: all teching costs restored to DBP values, AT Sections are affected by Bolster again. (Reversion)
  
  
• PIATS
  - SBP v1 changes (increased accuracy) removed. (Reversion)
  

• Universal Carrier
  - Cost changes removed.(Reversion)
  

• Royal Engineers
  - Can now equip two Bren guns.(Addition)
  

• Infantry Section, AVRE
  - All changes removed. (Reversion)
  

Jump back to quoted post17 May 2018, 17:45 PMRocket

Dumb they took out the change of okw having to build a truck to use flame nades. Just retarded being able to have the best garrison clearer deniers in the game at the very start.

Jump back to quoted post17 May 2018, 17:53 PMShadowLinkX37

This would be a reversion, since the Jackson is keeping its 60 range. (thank god)

Jump back to quoted post17 May 2018, 18:22 PMluvnest

agreed, garrison/cover denier

Jump back to quoted post17 May 2018, 18:22 PMluvnest

agreed, garrison/cover denier

Jump back to quoted post17 May 2018, 19:37 PMLago

Garrisons themselves are up there in my opinion.

Jump back to quoted post14 May 2018, 13:06 PMferwiner

I think the importance of building counters is largely overestimated in ballance discussions. People seem to expect countering better positioned opponent with only one squad and a cheap ability. That only supports blobbers more and more.

The truth is, that even though there are some units and abilities that excel against buildings, the game is designed so that you don't really need them to fight garrisons. There are multiple mechanics that support players fighting against garrisons:
1. Firepower of garrisoned squad depends on the number of windows. It is the attacking player that chooses the side, so it is safe to say that it is equal to the number of windows in a side that has least of them, varying from 0 to 2.
2. Garrisoned squad members have a chance o being hit that doesn't depend on their position inside building. That means you can hit them through the walls. Together with 1st point, it means full health squads closing to buildings often lose less models than the ones inside.
3. Finally, garrison cover is worse than green cover at ranges over 10. Which means, that if you put your men in cover nearby a house, they will win the fight sooner or later. The first point often can make that process even faster.

To conclude, good positioning and local numerical advantage are the main anti-garrison tools that every faction has at their disposal. Anything beyond this is a factional benefit and should not be considered as required for a faction to stay competitive.

Some of the ideas that came from that mindset were wery damaging to ballance of infantry engagements. A volk granade is a prime example of ability that completely breaks the rules of infantry combat for the sake of countering garrisons. All that while sturmpios with high dps have always done just find against them.

What is wrong with garrisons?

Jump back to quoted post17 May 2018, 20:20 PMLago

Conceptually? Nothing. Buildings make for good defensive positions. I've never liked their implementation though and cover negation not working both ways for them has always felt rather counterintuitive to me.

Jump back to quoted post17 May 2018, 17:45 PMRocket

Dumb they took out the change of okw having to build a truck to use flame nades. Just retarded being able to have the best garrison clearer deniers in the game at the very start.

Jump back to quoted post17 May 2018, 18:22 PMluvnest

agreed, garrison/cover denier

Jump back to quoted post18 May 2018, 04:14 AMRosbone

OKW without nades would be a massive joke in team games. Flame nades do not kill anyone they force them to move which creates a scramble allowing OKW to have a chance against MGs. If anything, get rid of the nades that wipe a whole squad since there is a 4 second lag some games.

If a squad is in a building, they are not taking territory in a 1v1. That seems crucial. Squad in building = more resources for you. Comes down to map making so buildings are not on top of important points.

Jump back to quoted post18 May 2018, 06:14 AMEsxile

Actually USF is a massive joke vs OKW flamnade. USF pickup an important building before you, just throw a flamnade, USF pick a cover before them, just throw a flamnade and rush with your SP.