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Jump back to quoted post24 Nov 2016, 18:23 PMle_saucisson_masque

EDIT : it works very well on most of the map, however some of the new maps which got many sight blockers make sniper micro a lot harder. resulting in defeat.

(on the other hand, usf mortar is not blocked by sight blocker so i suggest to veto the Stalingrad V2 map until balance is better, allowing us to win without sniper).

Jump back to quoted post24 Nov 2016, 19:26 PMcochosgo

So we have to play guerrilla tactics with a sniper in the early game to make the riflemen bleed and delay tech

Jump back to quoted post25 Nov 2016, 15:58 PMNosliw

The video is well made but a bit of an over generalization in my opinion. I've had great success as Ostheer doing Sniper, Gren Gren Gren, or MG, Gren Gren Gren, or Mg Gren Gren MG builds. Evening opening with 2 MGs, the best counter that Ostheer has in T1 against a USF mortar is micro. If you are paying attention and using your ears, you can just out micro where the mortar is barraging.

I remember in a game against top 20 USF I did sniper gren gren gren build, and was able to be super aggressive just by dodging the mortar. I ended up skipping T2 entirely and going for a 2nd sniper and rushed a P4, which came out 1 min after the Stuart, which I forced to repair with a few fausts to buy time.

Anyway, in conclusion, I don't think Ostheer has to do 2x222 and must get MG and sniper to bleed rifles. You can basically do whatever you want, as long as you micro well and position your units well to take good engagements and to avoid mortar shells.

Just my two cents.

Jump back to quoted post25 Nov 2016, 18:16 PMcochosgo

How many kills does a sniper needs to be effective? I tried it yesterday against penal spam with relative succes (it becomes easier for grens to beat them)

A list of the reinforcement costs for each allied unit would be usefull to maximize our harassement

Jump back to quoted post25 Nov 2016, 18:35 PMOutsider_Sidaroth

Going mostly by memory here, so corrections are super welcome, USF list here.

Rear Echelons, Officer Squad Members: 25
Riflemen, Paratroopers, Weapon Teams: 28
Rangers, Engineers, Vehicle Crews: 33
Pathfinders: 37
Major: 40
LT, Cap: 50

Jump back to quoted post25 Nov 2016, 20:30 PMle_saucisson_masque

it's not as simple as that btw,
when your gren fight against a rifleman squad they often loose models and need to get reinforced. A sniper doesn't loose models, so i'd say that after having killed for 200 mp of ennemy models, your sniper is effective.


And yeah i agree that micro is a counter to mortar, but gren are mostly effective at long range behind a cover -> get insta killed by mortar.

if you try to always keep mooving them, their accuracy is shit and riflemen squad still wreck them.

Jump back to quoted post25 Nov 2016, 21:18 PMle_saucisson_masque

yay, anyway with the new balance patch incoming, this thread is now useless.
no need anymore to go sniper to counter usf, even more with its nerf (cloack time).