.Which WWII Officer/General is your role model?
28 Apr 2015, 16:52 PM
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28 Apr 2015, 17:02 PM
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The Brandenburgers were gradually reverted to traditional roles though, after 42'. Not sure what you are referring to specifically.
How is Model seen in Germany?
BrandenBurgers were actually not reverted. The unit itself was created into a Panzer Grenadier Division and most of the Brandenburger's themselves quit and got themselves reassigned to SS Special Forces (Skorzeny and the 500/600 SS Falls etc...) but I cant give more information about that because the German Special Forces is an upcoming Theater Of History
28 Apr 2015, 17:09 PM
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BrandenBurgers were actually not reverted. The unit itself was created into a Panzer Grenadier Division and most of the Brandenburger's themselves quit and got themselves reassigned to SS Special Forces (Skorzeny and the 500/600 SS Falls etc...) but I cant give more information about that because the German Special Forces is an upcoming Theater Of History
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28 Apr 2015, 17:22 PM
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28 Apr 2015, 17:47 PM
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If it was a World War Two commander it would be Patton, keep attacking, never dig in and only retreat to build up for a better attack. Especially once the armoured phase begins.
If it was any General from history it would be Ulysses S. Grant - that war of attrition. Riflemen may be expensive but Strumpioners are more and I can call in my vet rifles
A much underrated general.
George Mclellan was much loved by his troops and was apparently a brilliant peacetime general who helped build a great infrastructure for the Army and designed some very good kit. But he was overly cautious and never seemed to feel it was the right time to press the confederates.
Grant was considered brutal in forcing the battle to the enemy and using superior force to bludgeon them, but in truth he considered his to be the "humane" strategy in that defeating the enemy would bring the war and bloodshed to a close.
28 Apr 2015, 17:51 PM
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But let's not forget that much of what we know of these German generals is from their own memoirs where often the other side did not get a chance to tell their side of the story. Much of the Soviet side of the history was not opened up until recently.
And some never really got to tell their tale as they did not survive into the peace.
And some never really got to tell their tale as they did not survive into the peace.
28 Apr 2015, 17:54 PM
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28 Apr 2015, 18:03 PM
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I have Spaeter's materials on BR and have other things that touch upon them. There may be discrepencies. The BR's role declined as Germany's offensive stance went to defensive. Opportunities for spec. ops and recon dried up significantly. In 43' the BR units were expanded and a mot. Infantry division was spun off- making most BR men effectively conventional troops.
Then there was the SS coup of the Spec ops arm and the fall of Abwehr, which lead to the 'GD' taking over the BR, and merging them into PanzerKorps 'GD' as a PzG Division in late 44'.
Then there was the SS coup of the Spec ops arm and the fall of Abwehr, which lead to the 'GD' taking over the BR, and merging them into PanzerKorps 'GD' as a PzG Division in late 44'.
BrandenBurgers were actually not reverted. The unit itself was created into a Panzer Grenadier Division and most of the Brandenburger's themselves quit and got themselves reassigned to SS Special Forces (Skorzeny and the 500/600 SS Falls etc...) but I cant give more information about that because the German Special Forces is an upcoming Theater Of History
28 Apr 2015, 18:08 PM
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28 Apr 2015, 18:13 PM
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I have Spaeter's materials on BR and have other things that touch upon them. There may be discrepencies. The BR's role declined as Germany's offensive stance went to defensive. Opportunities for spec. ops and recon dried up significantly. In 43' the BR units were expanded and a mot. Infantry division was spun off- making most BR men effectively conventional troops.
Then there was the SS coup of the Spec ops arm and the fall of Abwehr, which lead to the 'GD' taking over the BR, and merging them into PanzerKorps 'GD' as a PzG Division in late 44'.
Correct, the role switched as the Offical BR Regiment was turned into a Infantry Division. I simply stated that the Orignally trained Spec Op BR's (Men Themselves) joined the SS Spec Ops (Units that worked with Skorzeny etc.) and these continued to operate as Spec Ops units till the end of the war.
28 Apr 2015, 18:23 PM
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According to Spaeter, after the Abwehr coup the BR men were given a free choice to either stay with PzG BR or join the SS-whether they were actually BR specialists or not. So it was a weird situation.
The nucleus of the SS spec ops units were actually BR men- a change of title, and a smaller & overall much less effective outfit IMHO.
The nucleus of the SS spec ops units were actually BR men- a change of title, and a smaller & overall much less effective outfit IMHO.
Correct, the role switched as the Offical BR Regiment was turned into a Infantry Division. I simply stated that the Orignally trained Spec Op BR's (Men Themselves) joined the SS Spec Ops (Units that worked with Skorzeny etc.) and these continued to operate as Spec Ops units till the end of the war.
28 Apr 2015, 18:23 PM
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Erwin Rommel - no doubt
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28 Apr 2015, 18:49 PM
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The details are not in question. You had stated that Skorzeny played no pivitol role. I disagree. He was selected personally by Hitler and Ernst Kaltenbrunner to carry out the mission, for he was the one that tracked and located Mussolini. Skorzeny was in command of 18 SS commandos ( Whome were better trained that the Falls that accompanied them ). As for smashing the Radio? That is a tactic to disallow any form of communication. Furthermore Skorzeny was the one to bring General Fernando Soleti of Polizia along and got the Italians to surrender without much of a fight. Skorzeny may have been full of himself (Getting into the plane was stupid) but he was in fact a key figure in the raid. Sadly He got ALL the credit just because Hitler loved him and he was SS.
POINT: Skorzeny was a brilliant man and Spec Ops Leader. He may not have planned the Rescue op but his Actions prior (Intel Gathering) and During (General Fernando Soleti of Polizia) contributed largly to the success.
Ok, if you want to be serious, get a hold of the following:
Bliss/Bosshammer: Das Fallschirmjäger-Lehr Regiment...(contains an interesting interview with Gerlach, the pilot of the Storch)
Forczyk: Rescuing Mussolini...
Annussek: Hitler's Raid...
Suffice it to say there was some serious bad blood between the Fallis and Skorzeny after the raid, not only because of Skorzeny grabbing most of the lametta, but because his dilettantism actually almost cost the life of several Paratroopers on two occasions. The SS-men involved were most certainly not better trained than the Paras, on the contrary, in fact, most of them had no business whatsoever participating in such an operation, Skorzeny himself being in very poor shape.
Skorzeny entering the plane was far from merely stupid: He jeopardised the success of the operation and the life of three men, including his own, for nothing more than vanity...well he had balls, that much is for sure.
28 Apr 2015, 18:57 PM
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The main discrepancies of the new formed "Division Brandenburg", which was in fact formed on April 1st, 1943, was that the Division was still a Commando Special Force. But under the new command of the Wehrmachtsführungsstab and the rivalry to SS commandos its regiments were not used in their intended role as this report of October 1st, 1943, of the Wehrmachtsführungsstab clearly shows.
28 Apr 2015, 19:43 PM
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I've always wanted to try to follow Caesar's lead when it comes to leading/generalship.
I'd like to put down Chuikov, but beating up your subordinates in this day and age comes across as a bad career move...
I'd like to put down Chuikov, but beating up your subordinates in this day and age comes across as a bad career move...
28 Apr 2015, 19:45 PM
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Erich von Manstein of course
28 Apr 2015, 20:04 PM
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28 Apr 2015, 21:18 PM
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I would personally have to go with General Guy Simmonds or Chris Vokes. They were the definition of a "perfect General" and they never lost a battle either. I've always said the Canadian Army has the best troops, equipment and officers in the World, and these two men along with the Army confirm that.
The only German General who I think can come close to Guy Simmonds is probably Albert Kesselring, but even he would admit Simmonds was a better General.
The only German General who I think can come close to Guy Simmonds is probably Albert Kesselring, but even he would admit Simmonds was a better General.
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1 May 2015, 08:59 AM
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I think Rommel outclasses most of the names here though. Funny how Patton or Monty tried to reach his fame while having far more resources, tanks, equipment and men. A true general does wonders in the harshest conditions. Everyone is a good general when he has everything he needs, when he needs.
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