Hi can anyone give me the stats for these two units? What are the differences between them? Ostheer mortar seems to fire faster but is limited to four person squads while the Soviet mortar team has six men. I would like to know the differences. Thanks!
On another related point, does anyone think mortars are underused especially the Soviet mortar? I find them really good against blobbed infantry. Soviet mortars (including the 120mm) seem to work wonders against blobbed Axis infantry. However, I don't see many top level players use them, except the 120mm here and there
Soviet Mortar vs Ostheer Mortar
27 Oct 2014, 14:31 PM
#1
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Axis doesn't have the best AT options in the game
27 Oct 2014, 14:39 PM
#2
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In the star crossed cup soviet and german mortars both made a lot of appearances, as well as the heavy mortar and mortar halftrack. I wouldn't say these units are underused at all.
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27 Oct 2014, 14:48 PM
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Ostheer mortar shoots about 60% faster, but has very slightly larger scatter.
Precision barrage is also a superior ability, in my opinion at least, to the counter barrage of Ostheer mortar.
If you are interested in stats, you can check them out on my site:
Soviet mortar
Ostheer mortar
Precision barrage is also a superior ability, in my opinion at least, to the counter barrage of Ostheer mortar.
If you are interested in stats, you can check them out on my site:
Soviet mortar
Ostheer mortar
28 Oct 2014, 16:55 PM
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precision is definitely a much better vet ability.
thats interesting though, i was always under the impression that the wehr mortar was more accurate and shot faster than the soviet one, where as the soviet one shoots slower but has longer range and a 6 man crew.
also i think the 120mm is very strong right now.
thats interesting though, i was always under the impression that the wehr mortar was more accurate and shot faster than the soviet one, where as the soviet one shoots slower but has longer range and a 6 man crew.
also i think the 120mm is very strong right now.
28 Oct 2014, 17:11 PM
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While turbomortar is nice as an automatic mp drainer, i prefer the soviet one. Feels more reliable on dealing with specific targets by both, it's barrage and precision strike.
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28 Oct 2014, 17:33 PM
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soviet mortar is more accurate? that can't be right, the wehr mortar drops smartbombs compared to the soviet one
28 Oct 2014, 17:36 PM
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soviet mortar is more accurate? that can't be right, the wehr mortar drops smartbombs compared to the soviet one
Ostheer mortar shoots about 60% faster, but has very slightly larger scatter.
28 Oct 2014, 18:00 PM
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If you spam 60% faster, you have more chances of hitting something 
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And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
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And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
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28 Oct 2014, 18:14 PM
#9
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Asymmetrical game design boys.
All posts made are about situations in 2v2's. Not a 1v1 player.
28 Oct 2014, 18:19 PM
#10
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The differences between the two isnt anything game breaking. The Ostheer mortar shoots much faster than the Soviet mortar, but the soviet mortar has 6 men and the much better precision strike ability. I never feel disadvantaged when i field a soviet mortar.
28 Oct 2014, 18:19 PM
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*it took a while to get me here, and now im gonna take my tiiiime*
First up the data
Auto fire:
OST:
reload: 4.5s
scatter angle: 10.0m
max scatter: 8.0m
wind up: 2.0s
wind down: 2.0s
Soviet:
relaod: 7.5s
scatter angle: 8.0m (=max distance scatter)
Windup: 2.125s
Winddown: 1.0s
Barrage:
OST:
reload: (not provided by coh2stats but i guess its 2,145s [in relation to the reload decrease of the soviet mortar])
scatter angle: 9m
scatter distance ratio: 0.0875
scatter distance max: 7.0m
wind up: 2.0s
wind down: 2.0s
Soviet:
reload: 3.575s
scatter angle: 8m
scatter distance ratio: 0.075
scatter distance max: 6m
wind up: 2.125s
wind down: 1.0s
so yeah the Ost mortar shots once every 4.5 sec which is 3 seconds faster than the soviet mortar, but the soviet mortar has 2m less scatter angle
when barraging the advantages of each mortar get even more important.
the barraging ost mortar has fires once every 2.145 seconds (1.43 secs faster)
and the soviet has even less scatter at max range (6m compared to the ost, which has 7m)
the ost is slightly faster (0.125 sec) when winding up, yet 1 sec slower in winding down than his soviet couterpart (both in autofire and barage)
any questions? did i get it right? (this absolutely isnt my field of expertise. im way better at being a fanboy and beating low skill players with my slighty higher level of skill)
note to myself: check spelling before posting to avoid countless edits
Auto fire:
OST:
reload: 4.5s
scatter angle: 10.0m
max scatter: 8.0m
wind up: 2.0s
wind down: 2.0s
Soviet:
relaod: 7.5s
scatter angle: 8.0m (=max distance scatter)
Windup: 2.125s
Winddown: 1.0s
Barrage:
OST:
reload: (not provided by coh2stats but i guess its 2,145s [in relation to the reload decrease of the soviet mortar])
scatter angle: 9m
scatter distance ratio: 0.0875
scatter distance max: 7.0m
wind up: 2.0s
wind down: 2.0s
Soviet:
reload: 3.575s
scatter angle: 8m
scatter distance ratio: 0.075
scatter distance max: 6m
wind up: 2.125s
wind down: 1.0s
so yeah the Ost mortar shots once every 4.5 sec which is 3 seconds faster than the soviet mortar, but the soviet mortar has 2m less scatter angle
when barraging the advantages of each mortar get even more important.
the barraging ost mortar has fires once every 2.145 seconds (1.43 secs faster)
and the soviet has even less scatter at max range (6m compared to the ost, which has 7m)
the ost is slightly faster (0.125 sec) when winding up, yet 1 sec slower in winding down than his soviet couterpart (both in autofire and barage)
any questions? did i get it right? (this absolutely isnt my field of expertise. im way better at being a fanboy and beating low skill players with my slighty higher level of skill)
note to myself: check spelling before posting to avoid countless edits
28 Oct 2014, 18:41 PM
#12
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Interesting, I always thought that the ost mortar was more accurate too.
28 Oct 2014, 18:54 PM
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Asymmetrical game design boys.
Yes, we know, its always asymmetrical game design when it favors axis and bad balance when it favors allies
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
28 Oct 2014, 19:25 PM
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time for 1 shot is: aim time (same for both, ignored) + windup + wind down + reload
when auto firing this should be:
ost
2.0s + 2.0s + 4.5s (aim time, again, will be ingored since its the same for both and does include range to target)
= 8.5s + aim time depending on range to target
soviet
2.125s + 1.0s + 7.5s (yeah aim time my ass)
=10.625s + aim time depending on range to target
so here i am fanboy and all, shitting on your argument.
difference in RoF and scatter angle is about the same!
take that in your commie/murica nuts
edit: it actaully is 20% more/less in both cases
28 Oct 2014, 19:35 PM
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doesnt vet 2 drastically improve wehr mortar performance
28 Oct 2014, 19:59 PM
#16
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Wow so these mortars actually are balanced? YEEEEHAWWWW
Axis doesn't have the best AT options in the game
28 Oct 2014, 20:44 PM
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doesnt vet 2 drastically improve wehr mortar performance
81mm Mortar (ostheer)
Vet 2 -20% Scatter -40% Ability Recharge
Vet 3 +33% Range
82mm Mortar (soviet)
Vet 2 -20% Scatter -40% Ability Recharge
Vet 3 +33% Range
same bonuses. scatter ratio between ost/soviet wont change. so its still +20% rof advantage for ost and -20% scatter advantage for soviets.
edit: actually to all those who argue that the ost mortar is way better: stats are balanced... performance might differ, but one couldnt possible say if RoF or less scatter is better. too many fucking variables. the only thing that ISNT asymmetrically balanced is the survivability. while the soviet mortar has 6 men ost comes with only 4 crewmembers, which dont have any armor (they used to didnt they?) to offset the fact that they have less men
28 Oct 2014, 20:50 PM
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double post. so sorry
28 Oct 2014, 21:01 PM
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ost
2.0s + 2.0s + 4.5s (aim time, again, will be ingored since its the same for both and does include range to target)
Where's the 4.5 seconds from? Because the autoattack reload is 2.4 seconds for ostheer, leading to ~60% faster ROF...
difference in RoF and scatter is about the same!
Ostheer mortar has better distance scatter, soviet has better angle. Effectively: ostheer mortar is probably just as accurate at max range, slightly less accurate at min range.
Soviet mortar benefits far more from barraging than ostheer mortar. When barraging the soviet 82mm is more accurate than 81mm in every category, and the reload difference is reduced to 2.7 seconds from 4.225 seconds.
28 Oct 2014, 21:06 PM
#20
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Where's the 4.5 seconds from? Because the autoattack reload is 2.4 seconds for ostheer, leading to ~60% faster ROF...
Ostheer mortar has better distance scatter, soviet has better angle. Effectively: ostheer mortar is probably just as accurate at max range, slightly less accurate at min range.
Soviet mortar benefits far more from barraging than ostheer mortar.
http://www.coh2-stats.com/explosive_weapons/grw34_81mm_mortar_wg_mp
all stats are actually from that page. youre right with the second part though. max scatter is the same
ill edit my posts accordinglyEdit: coh2-stats seems to have different reload times for the soviet 82mm autofire/barrage than you mentioned,too
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