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21 Sep 2014, 09:35 AM
#61
avatar of Thunderhun

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this


Cons are the same category, but far worse than any axis infantry.
21 Sep 2014, 09:39 AM
#62
avatar of Airborne

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jump backJump back to quoted post21 Sep 2014, 09:01 AMKatitof

But then they get vet1 and onwards are better. I'd rather have less flexible squad that actually can do something then 'flexible' merge/cap bot.

why cons are more flexible, they can only fight volks witout vet, pionieers and grens without lmg.
but volks can also fight light vheciles.
21 Sep 2014, 10:05 AM
#63
avatar of GustavGans

Posts: 747

To my mind, the Soviets need a complete faction redesign.

Relic needs to throw out everything and start again.

The units it has are fine, but the way they are balanced and tiered and called in are just plain stupid.

Relic has the tools, but does it have the backbone?


Absolutely agree. I also wouldn't mind if they renamed some of the infantry.
21 Sep 2014, 10:13 AM
#64
avatar of Kronosaur0s

Posts: 1701

Typical. Ally players want german units and axis player want american/soviet units, nothing new :snfPeter:
21 Sep 2014, 11:26 AM
#65
avatar of Porygon

Posts: 2779

You just can't deny Gren are crap in this patch.

They got quadruple nerf.

- Far range accuracy
- Mid range accuracy
- Near range accuracy
- LMG42 lost DPS

They lost to Rifles/Penals completely without LMG, on par with Cons, can't even fend away CE, can only bully useless RE who dunno how to volleyfire.

Sure they are intended to be excel in long range, but don't forget long range having least DPS deal to cover and damage by design. God didn't forbid cons and rifles coming close hur?

Gren without upgrade, ARE WORSE THAN VOLKS, in both DPS and durability.
21 Sep 2014, 11:46 AM
#66
avatar of Airborne

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jump backJump back to quoted post21 Sep 2014, 11:26 AMPorygon


Gren without upgrade, ARE WORSE THAN VOLKS, in both DPS and durability.

:huhsign:
acording to coh2-stats compare tool grens have more DPS.
http://www.coh2-stats.com/compare?utf8=%E2%9C%93&squad1=volksgrenadier_squad_mp&squad2=grenadier_squad_mp&commit=Compare
21 Sep 2014, 11:53 AM
#67
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:huhsign:
acording to coh2-stats compare tool grens have more DPS.
http://www.coh2-stats.com/compare?utf8=%E2%9C%93&squad1=volksgrenadier_squad_mp&squad2=grenadier_squad_mp&commit=Compare


Grens DPS drop 25% when one model died, you can't just compare with these meaningless number comparison.
21 Sep 2014, 12:06 PM
#68
avatar of butterfingers158

Posts: 239

jump backJump back to quoted post21 Sep 2014, 11:53 AMPorygon


Grens DPS drop 25% when one model died, you can't just compare with these meaningless number comparison.


So when you're proven wrong you just move the goalpost?

Grens do about 1.2x the DPS of the Volks. Each Gren model has ~9% received accuracy bonus versus no bonus for Volks. So a Gren squad has the survivability of a 4.36 man squad (approx)versus the 5 man Volks. 5/4.36= 1.15 So Volks are 15% more survivable but Grens do 20% more damage.

Let's not forget that Grens get an LMG upgrade, which makes them the best basic infantry later in the game unless a USF player goes Infantry Company (which is pretty useless in 1v1 except for the LMG) for LMG riflemen.
21 Sep 2014, 13:20 PM
#69
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jump backJump back to quoted post21 Sep 2014, 11:53 AMPorygon


Grens DPS drop 25% when one model died, you can't just compare with these meaningless number comparison.

1 gren got in 35 range around 2 dps, 2X3= 6.
1 volk got in long range around 1.31X4= 5.24
so I can compare the damdge. even 3 volks got less damdge than 2 grens.
only 2 volks got more damdge than 1 grenadier.
21 Sep 2014, 14:23 PM
#70
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jump backJump back to quoted post21 Sep 2014, 11:26 AMPorygon

They lost to Rifles/Penals completely without LMG, on par with Cons, can't even fend away CE, can only bully useless RE who dunno how to volleyfire.


If you compare costs, they SHOULD lose against Rifles/Penals and be on par with Conscripts. And if you're having problems against Combat Engineers then that is a L2P issue.

I don't understand why are you complaining about. Their AT and grenade abilities are way better than conscripts' and their LMG upgrade still makes them really useful lategame against enemy elite infantry.
21 Sep 2014, 14:43 PM
#71
avatar of vietnamabc

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So when you're proven wrong you just move the goalpost?

Grens do about 1.2x the DPS of the Volks. Each Gren model has ~9% received accuracy bonus versus no bonus for Volks. So a Gren squad has the survivability of a 4.36 man squad (approx)versus the 5 man Volks. 5/4.36= 1.15 So Volks are 15% more survivable but Grens do 20% more damage.

Let's not forget that Grens get an LMG upgrade, which makes them the best basic infantry later in the game unless a USF player goes Infantry Company (which is pretty useless in 1v1 except for the LMG) for LMG riflemen.

Furthermore, do note that Gren and Volks get riflenade and nade while teching, unlike US and SU spend resources to unlock. (Molotov is useless late game, AT-nade <<< Faust).
22 Sep 2014, 05:07 AM
#72
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Let's not derail this thread guys. The thread was about soviet and not volks/grens.
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