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Change ostheer's Panther with Tiger and et cetera

31 Aug 2018, 16:07 PM
#21
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And again, didn't read the hole thing, or understod it. But, the point with the stocks makes also clear that it is even more sad that Tiger is limitated.

The Tiger would be an other unit than now, limited to two e. g. to prevent spaming.

If you are going to change the tiger from what it is now (arguably the best all round heavy tank in game) and nerf it to put in non doc what's even the point? And if you are not going to nerf it and still make it non doc AND double the number that a player can build because flavor? It doesn't make sense from a design nor balance standpoint
31 Aug 2018, 16:18 PM
#22
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If you are going to change the tiger from what it is now (arguably the best all round heavy tank in game) and nerf it to put in non doc what's even the point? And if you are not going to nerf it and still make it non doc AND double the number that a player can build because flavor? It doesn't make sense from a design nor balance standpoint

One of the issues of Ostheer T4 is that it gives access only to specialised units. That creates question is there any reason to invest so much for a dedicated unit when others can get the job done? Unless these units are extremely effective usually the answer is no. If one makes these unit extremely effective they become OP in large modes where they can be spammed due to fuel inflation.

By introducing a main battle tank with both AI and AT capabilities in T4 (Tiger or panther with switchable rounds ISU style) or by moving a cheap tank there (like the ostwind) or by providing other bonuses one can make T4 strategies more viable.

(units should be re-balanced and have cost adjusted)
31 Aug 2018, 17:39 PM
#23
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Sure, and Soviets get t4 IS-2 stock, t-34/85 stock and USF gets a Pershing stock t4 and everyone is happy. Why should only Axis get stuff again`

While we are at it, why not make crocodile t4 stock too?
31 Aug 2018, 23:33 PM
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Tactical Imouto: T34/85 could also become non-doc, have no probs with that, but Pershing? Easy8 would be better.
1 Sep 2018, 13:07 PM
#25
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jump backJump back to quoted post31 Aug 2018, 16:18 PMVipper

One of the issues of Ostheer T4 is that it gives access only to specialised units. That creates question is there any reason to invest so much for a dedicated unit when others can get the job done? Unless these units are extremely effective usually the answer is no. If one makes these unit extremely effective they become OP in large modes where they can be spammed due to fuel inflation.

By introducing a main battle tank with both AI and AT capabilities in T4 (Tiger or panther with switchable rounds ISU style) or by moving a cheap tank there (like the ostwind) or by providing other bonuses one can make T4 strategies more viable.

(units should be re-balanced and have cost adjusted)

T4 being the culmination of ostheer teching offers an avenue to tune your game and elevate it. Imo t4 needs to be a bit cheaper with techs within to unlock what you want (with associated infantry buffs perhaps?) throwing in a tiger (or 2 because for some reason no longer restricting it to doctrines means it also should be the only proper heavy tank that isn't capped at 1 for reasons?) would greatly upset the game
1 Sep 2018, 14:31 PM
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T4 being the culmination of ostheer teching offers an avenue to tune your game and elevate it. Imo t4 needs to be a bit cheaper with techs within to unlock what you want (with associated infantry buffs perhaps?) throwing in a tiger (or 2 because for some reason no longer restricting it to doctrines means it also should be the only proper heavy tank that isn't capped at 1 for reasons?) would greatly upset the game

My suggestion is either a main battle tank (Panther with suitable round or tiger)or cheap unit like the Ostwind. If main battle tank becomes available it should then be balanced close to a balanced Comet.
1 Sep 2018, 17:13 PM
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Tactical Imouto: T34/85 could also become non-doc, have no probs with that, but Pershing? Easy8 would be better.


Revert t-34/76 back to t3 with 80f and give 85 to t4 and we can all be happy.
1 Sep 2018, 21:08 PM
#28
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Revert t-34/76 back to t3 with 80f and give 85 to t4 and we can all be happy.



But T34/76 gun has to be changed, because it has too much AI ability in comparison. But yes, I thought the same. Also the option for non-doc Panzer IV with short barrel would be cool, with an upgrade for long one. Change-able.




2 Sep 2018, 05:52 AM
#29
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Revert t-34/76 back to t3 with 80f and give 85 to t4 and we can all be happy.


By "all" you mean only Soviet players.

But seriously, T34-76 being in T3 would need to come with a 330/105 fuel price tag or it'd come too fast and too numerously.

Or you could reduce T34-76 to 480hp with a 120 damage main gun.
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