Shocktroops at 1CP

Jump back to quoted post7 Jan 2014, 15:16 PMTristan44

Biggest issue is keeping a sniper alive. I have never kept a sniper alive for a whole game, especially German ones. Its just to hard with all the soviets splash damage and RNG that always seems to favor them (my experience only). They need to be babysat all game and I guess my micro just isn't up to snuff. There is one game I lost vs NorthWestFresh where I kept my sniper alive for the majority of the game and he racked up 70 kills. A random gunshot salvo got him...:/ After he had survived countless.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jan 2014, 15:44 PMAradan

You can skip T1 and have Pzg very early. Problem is with ST and Pzg. They are too strong and rape conscripts and greens like no tomorow. Shocks and Pzg with assault rifles are T4 units and is fault from Relic give them early.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jan 2014, 19:02 PMlink0

German sniper should have 80hp instead of 40hp, but have armor nerfed from 2 to 1. This way they are less susceptible to RNG rolls against small arms fire, but have the same effective survivability. They would be slightly more durable against AOE as well.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jan 2014, 19:02 PMlink0

German sniper should have 80hp instead of 40hp, but have armor nerfed from 2 to 1. This way they are less susceptible to RNG rolls against small arms fire, but have the same effective survivability. They would be slightly more durable against AOE as well.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jan 2014, 15:16 PMTristan44

However for the guy who mentioned by the time you have a gren, mg, and sniper sov has 4 cons. That's still not that big of an issue. The mg can suppress 2 cons, the gren can engage the other 2 with the sniper far back in support. Sure let the sov player OOOraah where he thinks the sniper will be, just micro. He will be hurting from the 3-4 shots the sniper will get on those squads..

Jump back to quoted post7 Jan 2014, 19:22 PMslother

I agree on hp buff and armor nerf, but then again they are still more vulnerable to explosions which in my opinion is issue with ost sniper. Soviet snipers can be hit by mortar shell/panzerwerfer/pak/zis/tank shell and still be lucky enough for other entity to run away.

I had so many situations when I barraged Soviet sniper with panzerwerfer and yet they still manage to run away.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jan 2014, 21:18 PMlink0

The soviet sniper is designed to be better than the OST sniper. That's just part of the game design. This is because the Soviet T1 building locks you into one tech path and is also much more expensive than the OST T1 building.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2014, 03:04 AMPorygon

This argument is the worst I read from you.

Back in COH1, US need to forgone Rifles to get early super sniper, did USA sniper be better than the wehr one?
Did US MG better than MG42?

Early tech path should mean nothing to unit design.

Sniper is a very special unit in COH and should not be that different. Now it comes out survival of Soviet sniper is much better, with some ridiculous running ability even more help in their survival chance. It also destroy the good old counter-sniping art of the old game.

How about this? Soviet sniper squad can no longer be reinforce?

Jump back to quoted post7 Jan 2014, 19:02 PMlink0

German sniper should have 80hp instead of 40hp, but have armor nerfed from 2 to 1. This way they are less susceptible to RNG rolls against small arms fire, but have the same effective survivability. They would be slightly more durable against AOE as well.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2014, 10:47 AMJesper23

They cost 440 mp, end of discussion, u need mg protected by grens,and they will force retreat evry time, and that combo cost 480 mp. Reinforce cost is 36 mp, i mean get snipet kill 3 of em with the sniper/grens combo, and that is just devastating for your opponents mp. And u do not have 2 worry about guards if u ge flammer ht, i mean someone is complayning that they are fragile on mines, i mean WTF do you want? U want your ht just wondering around the map killing all soviet infant...? And if the Soviet player is dumb enough and he 2ent T1, he has nothing to counter your flammer ht, until that t70, and u can easly counter that with pgrens with shrecks or pak... There are ways to counter evrything, just THINK! I mean Soviets have 2 face free TA, and instantn vet squads, and the only way 2 counter them are shcks. Just be realistic they are just fine at 1 cp...

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2014, 14:22 PMImagelessbean

FHT is easily beaten by 2 conscripts with at nades so even when player goes shocks the FHT is still not that useful. In addition, the FHT range is the same as the AT nade so how can I use it to kill conscripts without automatically getting hit by AT nades?

After nerfs I have found that FHT is just not worth the munitions. I think there is a small problem with this unit right now, but I don't want to see it go back to the days of the napalm Mercedes.

I don't think arguing that a OP doc makes 1 cp shocks a good idea. I don't own the OP doc so I should just lose because an OP doc exists? Not great logic.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2014, 14:44 PMwongtp

1 of them, they arent much of a problem, when 3 of them, there's a problem, they faceroll german infantry. we had this problem back in vcoh, it was called the ranger spam. a high upkeep and high reinforce cost probably sufficient a nerf. just make it difficult to field a couple of them