There are some changes being cooked up, but nothing definitive yet so not much to comment on right now. There aren't many straightforward buffs because of how strong Ostheer currently is in teamgames, so progress is slow because every change has to be very well thought out.
Can you at least whisper us what unit are you planning to touch?
The Forward Assembly was considered, but takes very long to build, isn't meant to be used as a base structure (it's in the name) and I don't think it should be encouraged to build a massive silly looking structure in the HQ sector (the Ostheer bunker at least kind of fits in).
The medic squad has been introduced to give the UKF an easier time healing up their support weapons and squads. However, we are well aware of the possible consequences for Infantry Sections if they'd no longer require the healing upgrade and we want to avoid this. The idea is that the medics should ultimately be finetuned to serve only as a "doable" addition to occasionally heal up a Sapper or team weapon squad, but shouldn't heal fast enough to completely replace the IS healing upgrade. This is why it's a medic squad in the first place rather than automatrons, because the extra micro and popcap are part of the goal to make getting and using them (over IS healing) a proper choice rather than a no-brainer.
Therefore i really think that good idea would be to make Infantry Section upgrades requiring weapon slot. It's should force player to either pick a 5 men 2xbren blob or a more supportive, and universal squad with higher sight, smoke or healing. I don't see any disadvantages here. What do you think?
Feedback to brits:
1. Infantry Section
I feel like double both (target size and moving accuracy) maybe too much. Not early game when they have 4 men but later, at stage of 5 men - not to meansion when they will be equipt with 2x bren. I think we should let one of those buffs go OR make medic/pyro upgrade requiring 1 weapon slot. If not i fear we will see old Tommies blob back. Smoke idea is great. I would also look at the unit price. I think there is a bug there.
Is there anyway to buff them when they are 4 men and not when they are 5 men?
2. Assault IS
Sound okey. I would think about visual changes and maybe sound changes if possible. I think their phos. nade should require a mils nade upgrade.
3. Tank Hunter Infantry Section
I think they should have something extra. I would allow them to upgrade with special late game AT weapon. Like a paratroopers can have a better zooks i would do the same with UKF. I would make additional Piat upgrade after reaching T3 to better fight medium tanks. Right now this unit looses his point after killing all enemy light vehicules.
4. Assault Officer (Previously Was Airlanding Officer)
- there is a bug that unit can pick up bren but unit isn't shows up. Plus there isn't restriction to 2 weapons. Plus unit doesn't shows up from HQ but comes off map.
- they kinda weak at vet0 but performs really well at vet3 (don;t think are OP). Hard to say if that should be the unit strength to scale in time. If not i would move some vet 2/3 buffs to vet0 becouse at start they can loose vs sturmpio although they cost more.
I wonder if recon pass should stay?
5. Universal Carrier - buffing armor for WASP is really good idea. Love it.
6. HQ Glider
Ok, here i have the biggest issue so far. Why for that small price i have so much stuff? Commandos squad for free, FRP for free without needing T3. I would say: add option to repair and add 30 fuel cost. FRP require T3. Becouse currently it's waaaaay to good for it cost. Let me remind that Inflitration commando squad with 3 men costs 350 MP so only 100 mp less.
To diverse it from a commando regiment, make it less similar i would be for:
- commando squad for a AT commando squad with special piats,
- mortar squad with a commando crew (like rangers zooks) - another way to get indirect fire option,
If not the vanguard commander will be way better than other commanders. It gives cheap commandos with FRP, universal strafe and Croc. That's way to good combo.
7. Medics in HQ.
Interesting idea although brits can already build a Forward HQ with upgradable medics which works the same as ostheer. I often see players like tightrope using it. With medics buildable i really think med pack for Tommies should take 1 weapon slot to prevent masive 2 bren, 5 men IS blob. You want deadly, a-moving blob, then get a healing in a diffrent form.
just use incendiary devices. A somewhat decent player wont let u kill it with pio flamer (251 flamer sets a house on fire very fast but its hard too), but if you use LeIg incendiary rounds (Feuersturm doc) or Mortar HT incendiary barrages you can counterpick a FHQ spammer with ease
did Balance team already fix the issue with Leig incendiary rounds that they couldn't put any building on fire? It used to be quite a known bug.
In 1v1 the most cancerous scene was on Lost Glider. Player just simple puts forward hq on a stone church. That building was almost indestructible and require way too much effort to kill it.
Some on the fly ideas from me personally to help make UKF better (even though I think they're not that bad, especially not in teamgames), to fill up some holes and weakness in their early and mid game:
- Perhaps a very small (5-10%) cooldown bonus when in cover, so 4 men Infantry Sections in the early game feel just a bit better, without having much of an influence on performance when they are Bolstered and/or with veterancy and weapon upgrades;
That would help early game but it would have much bigger inpact when they reach 5th men so later stage of a game. I would go for buffs that help more early game but doesn't progress with strength in time.
- Smoke barrage added to Pyro Infantry Sections, to substitute the lack of easily accessible indirect fire. Would help to fight HMGs, but by being a barrage and having a delay and shared global cooldown, would prevent it from being spammed like back when Riflemen all had smoke grenades;
I would say - a must add ability. Global cooldown is a great idea as well.
- Veteran Squad Leader upgraded added as third option for Infantry Sections; replaces one Lee Enfield with a Thompson, gives the squad a small DPS bonus, and removes the out of cover and movement penalties. Basically a way to make some squads more mobile and less vulnerable to indirect fire, with an STG44 Volksgrenadier-like DPS profile;
I would more focus on royal engineers as a more CQC. If anyone i would add them upgrade. Another way is to simply add a artillery officer which is in a game files. Making his performance similar to pgrens would help brits even as exlusive to 1 unit to fight axis more elite CQC infantry squads. Anycase, veteran squad leader for Tommies could work as well, just it would make UKF build almost always into 4 tommies (when with diffrent upgrade they still gonna be IS).
- An affordable medic upgrade for the HQ that adds two medics to help heal up support weapons and engineers, because even though Infantry Sections heal is great for frontline healing, it's usually quite hard to keep all other troops healed up;
Well, brits already has a HQ with medic upgrade. In his form it can work same as ostheer med bunker. Diffrence is that it's more expensive 200 mp 60 ammo upgrade if i remember correctly. Change the cost of it and people can use it like it's axis equivalent.
- Removing grenades tech and making grenades available stock after researching T1, as I don't feel the upgrade is cost effective anymore now that IS spam is no longer a viable strategy. It'd help IS fight elite and CQC infantry without having to invest extra resources;
But lock it behind vet 1. I think it's the least safe solution.
- Assault Sections changed to 0CP call-in infantry, to give UKF more diverse and surprising opening strats, and help them start on certain CQC orientated maps, even if only in one commander.
Yes, as it should be from the begging. Plus add snare ability - that would finally diverse the UKF strat. It's not a strong commander becouse it doesn't have a late game ability so i would afraid of it being overpowered. USF armor commander has powerfull arty with assualt enginners, ostheer with assualt grens has a Tiger. If someone could think about adding a mortar to brits it could be replace by a pakhowi which would make a commander even more interesting.
Ideally Bolstered would be overhauled so it'd become something that's an interesting and strategic choice, rather than being a mandatory upgrade, but I think that would be a very extensive and risky thing to do, so I'm not sure if that'd be possible or desirable at this point.
Although, implementing even 1 of those ideas should bring with it 1 locked weapon slot for pyro IS or a med upgrade (or a boolster upgrade) to not end up with 2x bren 5 men Tommy universal terminator squad that cannot be stopped.
Soviets, USF, OKW all seem quite close even after the tourney it's quite hard to call.
Seems to be a clear consensus Ostheer brits as 4th/5th, though Ostheer is still fun and worth playing to me.
Which is very interesting that ostheer is so behind even though they got quite nice buffs recently. Pgrens, ostwind, stugs, tigers, better survability for grens, reduce tech cost. List is quite long but still they are behind OKW which on the other was nerfed by increasing the cost of volks and starting resources. It's like OKW is standing mostly on 1/2 commanders that keeps them in lead
To the ranking - i agree with all above - SOV->USF->OKW->OST->UKF. Although it's not like there are huge difference between them (expect brits).
I wonder if we gonna see After the grand championship i wonder if we see a next incoming patch directed to buff Brits. Though unlikely it's gonna be release before incoming 2v2 turney
Obviously when it comes to top level play when even seasoned ukf players are picking soviets or USF instead this is an indicator to where UKF balance is currently. Tommie 10mp decrease or not let's face it their in a pretty dire place right now. A couple of token 3-0 stomp fests in the early rounds aside.
But lurking the forums it seems like there's not much discussion to WHY Brits are weak at current time.
Some would blame it on sub par infantry options, lack of mortar or real heavy tank in a heavy tank meta.
This thread is intended to shine a spotlight on just what the issue is so the balance team can get a better idea of gripes from players and overview to the problems that exist. Hopefully a few top players can throw their hat in the ring and explain why they avoided UKF in competitive play
1. lack of basic mobile indirect options
2. lack of serious smoke options expect mortar pit
3. lack of more elite basic CQC infantry unit
All that other factions possess and it could be added also for brits without creating a new content.
And to those who complain lack of heavy tank where is obviously a croc, avre and churchill which do there job.
Woohoo, finally my dream came true. Bayeux is in the game, enjoy the map bois! Thanks team, for making this a reality!
I like this map although i feel like it's little to big. I would prefer that it didn't had those corner territory points
I read somewhere the idea to give StugE option to switch ammo into AI/AT like sherman can. Of course the concept wasn't to make it stug III G volt. 2 but it's to give him more defensive option vs tanks.
For the record, vehicle MGs do not deal that much damage late game, because they do not scale with veterancy (they get no accuracy bonus, meaning that as enemy infantry gets lower Received Accuracy, the MGs deal less damage) and abundant yellow cover (craters everywhere) means they almost permanently deal 50% less damage. Tank MGs only shine in the late mid game into early late game when tanks first start appearing.
Furthermore while UKF tanks do have worse MGs than other factions' tanks, they usually have other traits in return. The Cromwell and Comet are very fast and agile, and the Cromwell has a very good potential shock timing (235 fuel, or 270 fuel with Bolster). The Churchill has 1400 health. Buffing the MGs on these tanks to Panzer IV / T-34 levels would risk giving them too much shock value.
I personally think UKF tanks are pretty much fine right now. The Churchill is still good, the Comet is good now, the Centaur is great, and the Cromwell is good as long as you can get it out early.
If we look at the tank section then yeah, Brits are pretty much fine. If Cromwell hull mg buff would be consider (which i suggested earlier in exchange in ac/speed buff) then price has to go up.
Honestly, i feel like Brits aren't in a bad spot right now just their build is linear. Lack of diversity makes faction vulnerable on certain strategies - mainly on 1v1 where more mobile gameplay is needed.
Do you guys consider making any sort of revamp to Brits of course after the turney? There are units in a game files that could be added to the faction to add some diversity. My call would be to implement: Artillery officer as CQC elite infantry equipt with phosphorus granade (could work as a sight blocker for mg and clearning units in houses) and USF M5 HT - reinforcing platform that can be upgraded into mortar HT - that would solve the issue with lack of tools vs mg spam. Units would be available after upgrading any side tech in T1. Another tool that would help - AEC and bofors no longer exclusive could be interesting combo.
Faction bases only on one type of infantry squad without any substitutes. More stuff that supports them is better overrall