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Thread: Why Soviets are OP26 Sep 2020, 23:17 PM Jump back to quoted post26 Sep 2020, 23:02 PMGachiGasm Yeah. You are completly right. I've checked it in mod tools. Pretty much all planes have 1000 armor and all AA units have a modifier on deflection to either insta destoy or do nothing to plane. Oswind for instance has 24% chance to destoy it and Quad has 10%, Centaur 16%, M15 and OKW HT 17%. All other AA guns in the game have projectiles even Centaur, while Quad dont. Maybe its connected to this or ROF or something else. But its just most likely just works uncorrectly. ... It probably simply has to do with the sheer volume of fire the quad delivers that 4 barrel of MGs firing. The problem started when it was patches and its AA capability was increase by around x33 times, which is a crazy buff. M17 Quad We wanted to tone down the performance of the Quad to be in-line with Light Tanks and other suppression platforms. In order to make infantry counters to this unit viable, the M17 can no longer suppress enemy squads on the move. .... Increased the chance for the Quad to take down an airplane (from 30 in 10000 to 10 in 100) In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Allied INF Team Games26 Sep 2020, 16:52 PM Jump back to quoted post26 Sep 2020, 16:43 PMMr Carmine Yeah i mist your point completly. My bad. Do not worry about no harm done and maybe I was not clear enough Jump back to quoted post26 Sep 2020, 16:43 PMMr Carmine Still ce's are a 2/3 cons squad at best in terms of dps and hp. And cons are not doing high damage at long range currently. I've seen ce's beat grens in close range once but other then that every other inf mops the floor with them. Combat engineer are a cost efficient unit and as Serrith pointed getting 3 CE as start is actually viable or more viable the most other engineers that is. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Why Soviets are OP26 Sep 2020, 15:14 PM Jump back to quoted post26 Sep 2020, 14:44 PMelchino7 Kill the AA units first and then use the offmap. Quad does not need to be in the frontline to shoot down planes, so it easier said than done. Jump back to quoted post26 Sep 2020, 14:44 PMelchino7 Single pass planes most certainty delivers their payload and recon planes provide enough vision on top of been bugged after death. Single pass planes can be shot down without delivering their payload. Jump back to quoted post26 Sep 2020, 14:44 PMelchino7 It's called counterplay. Having a single quad that can completely shut down all loiter abilities with cost of 200+ MU is not counter play it is simply bad design. If AA had to manual start firing at planes, if planes received "suppression" similar to infatry when under AA fire reducing their effectiveness that would more of counter play. Jump back to quoted post26 Sep 2020, 14:44 PMelchino7 PD: i wouldn't mind if the range of mobile AA units is reduced. That might be a start but it is simply not enough since the AA capabilities of units are variate greatly. From the inconstent performance of the USF AAHT to the OP performance of the Quad. The idea of bringing all AA assets to quad level is bad. If loiter planes are too strong they should be adjusted and not have the AA weapon buffed that affects all planes and not just loiters. An overhaul is needed. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Allied INF Team Games26 Sep 2020, 14:59 PM Jump back to quoted post26 Sep 2020, 14:09 PMMr Carmine I dont agree. Pio's sturms and sapper are quite strong close up. Ce's never had an optimal range where they could force off anything by the selfs. Without flamethrower or cons support. They also have fewer abilities. You missed my point. Before weapon profiles overhaul the small arms systems was different and comparison pre and post overhaul are probably misleading. It might as well be a different game. CE have been 170mp since after the overhaul. Combat engineer use a bolt action rifle designed to perform good at mid to far range. Their optimal range depends on what their are fighting. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Why Soviets are OP26 Sep 2020, 14:24 PM Jump back to quoted post26 Sep 2020, 14:00 PMelchino7 .... Planes are batshit broken, not the AA... GachiGasm is correct Qaud is OP in its AA performance and far superior than even more expensive AA assets. It can bring down planes before the have the chance to fire once or reveal any section of the map. If one bring all AA weapons to Quads performance might as well remove most planes abilities from the game because they will be a waste of munitions and wasted commander slot. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Why Soviets are OP26 Sep 2020, 11:34 AM Jump back to quoted post26 Sep 2020, 11:09 AMgbem im perfectly fine with this statement... id rather see stuff like guards and shocks put in line as opposed to having the soviets play with a gutted stock design Glad to see that the majority of this forum can reasoned with unlike some specific users who seem to simply troll. Also glad to see that you agree. Imo the original Soviet design could be salvaged but the step to move away from it was only partially implemented leaving many of their stock units and doctrinal units in weird place. One could try to full implement a "stock" and majority of units would be tuned some receiving buff others nerfs. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Allied INF Team Games26 Sep 2020, 11:28 AM Jump back to quoted post26 Sep 2020, 11:20 AMMr Carmine Okay i totaly mis remembered that one. Time flies bye. Thanks for the correction. The gradual price drop is telling about their general preformance. Not really. When it comes to infatry anything before the weapons profile overhaul is rather irrelevant. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Why Soviets are OP26 Sep 2020, 10:36 AM Jump back to quoted post26 Sep 2020, 10:25 AMKatitof Ost didn't had PaK43 or Ele neutered once T4 and panther was buffed. 250 wasn't nerfed when PGs were buffed, in fact it was buffed as well. Your logic makes no sense and doesn't line with reality of changes made to all 5 factions, who had both, core armies and multiple doctrines and doctrinal units brought up in line without castrating completely already existing meta units, while dominating meta units were adjusted to be just another option to consider, not the only, exclusive option to pick if you want to win a leveled game. Your personal agenda was proven to be incorrect approach with each and every single patch across almost half a decade now as there was never before in coh2 lifespan a place with balance as good and meta as varied as it is nowadays and lack of dominating doctrines for all the factions(minus clearly batshit insane ost infantry doctrine 5 man grens and overperforming osttruppen but for non doctrinal reasons) as well as win ratios across the board being closest ever is a testament to the changes leading the game into balanced state. And we are back to normal katitof full of toxic comments and non constructive post resorting in personal attacks instead of arguments. Jump back to quoted post26 Sep 2020, 10:25 AMKatitof You are fully entitled to that personal opinion of yours. It does not make it a fact tho. Actually Soviets having a plethora of doctrinal units is a fact not mu personal opinion. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Why Soviets are OP26 Sep 2020, 09:50 AM Jump back to quoted post26 Sep 2020, 09:37 AMthedarkarmadillo You absolutely can and should balance primarily around a doctrine less game because doctrines are extras. You certainly can't balance well when you have 100*different variables and combinations to take into account with the primary balance if the core is balanced then you can isolate problem ubits/abilities and change them without nuking the faction. Look at the old spec ops with the call in cpanther. They were afraid to nerf the Panther because the faction would fall apart. Fuck the other 5 commanders right? Remove commanders from play and see what the factions need to be viable without then and it doesn't matter what you do to the commanders as the faction is still usable. If one want to redesign Soviet without commanders one has to actually bring Soviet commander inline with other factions and removed and tone down most doctrinal units. Currently Soviet have a plethora of doctrinal units and many of them are above the doctrinal units of other factions. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Allied INF Team Games26 Sep 2020, 09:15 AM Jump back to quoted post26 Sep 2020, 09:13 AMSerrith Specifically in the early game on a per model basis before vet really comes into play engineers are more cost efficient then cons. They are 9% more durable per model and only cost 5% more to reinforce. They are built faster and 4 engineers can be called in a fair bit earlier then 4 conscripts due to the difference in MP. Yeah they don't scale combat wise but you've spent 50% less MP on 4 CE then 4 Cons which means faster medics, early tech and supplemental units, or bank for an extra elite infantry at 2cp. Bleed won't be as bad since per model your squads are more cost efficient until vet becomes relevant by which time you should have supporting troops. Actually I have come across some x3 CE builts in 3vs3 games recently for great repair power later in game. In: COH2 Balance