Profile of GachiGasm

The only thing which is unfair about ST nerf is that AVRE didnt get same CP\price nerf.

Back in the day tank damage was based on the veterancy. You can play one of the ToW missions, I belive its some sort of the winter airfield mission or something which for still has mentioned system.

For instance, Vet 0 tanks used to deal joke of the damage, while vet 3 units used to be super tanky and 2\3 shot vet 0 vehicles.

Point being when coh2 was released it was out of hand competly. If you had vet 3 PIV\T34 you could have engage and win fights against like 3 vet 0 mediums.

but both factions that have long range indirects have non-doc forward retreat points and both indirects are cheaper than the mortar

as long as the price goes down thats an alright change, otherwise hell nah

What does it have to do with retreat points if both IGs and Pack Howi cant retreat?

IGs is cheaper by 70 MP (which is reflected in its perfomance) and Pack Howi cost litteraly the same while still being questinably inferior in combat perfomance and objectively inferior in survivability.

USF\OKW have access to forward reinforcement faster, but soviets also have merge for early game and later on M5 for forward reinforcement.

In teamgames, USF\UKF teammate can always provide you with forward reinforcement just aswell.

the best way to counter it is with Stuka. The soft counter is just skip on HMGs and mortars, or get 1 to cover your flaks. Get an aggressive commander, preferably with smoke bombs and just roll over the SOV guy.
As for the unit, imo the popcap should be bigger, to punish spamming. I can't say it is OP, but it is definitely strong.

Well yes and no. I'd say trying to counter 120mm with stuka specifically is a bad idea, since it has long CD and even if you de-crew 120mm soviet will just crew it back. Stuka helps soften soviets defence which might allow you to push and at least force 120mm away.

And 120mm is not OP in a sence of perfomance. Its imo just overtuned for the timing and stats it has. If it was a little bit weaker surviability wise or came like not at 2CP but at 3CP, it might have been completly fine.

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I am not saying it should be just as vulnerable to axis indirects as other mortars, what I'm saying that you practically cant counter it with your indirects even if you play right\enemy plays wrong. Even ostheer counter-barrage dont work.

There is a difference in being "hard to counter" and "almost impossible to counter". This problem only leads to the fact that soviet players can get 120mm mortar closer to the frontline, effectively neutralising the fact that its auto-fire range was nerfed. Or if there are mass enemy indirects\inf to stay at safe range and use barrage.

And speaking of situations you've discribed, yes its true that its less effective against blobs, but the problem is that in teamgames soviets already abusing maxims themselfs on a line maps or use penal blobs themselfs into 120mm mortars.
With maxims its self-explanatory, with Penals even if Ostheer\OKW goes full gren\volks build, you just need to stay in cover with your penals and zone volks\grens away from your 120mm, because they cant push penals into close\mid range and 120mm mortar in long fire-fights will eventually hit them.

In vacuum yes, 120mm is vulnerable to flanks and mass inf, but on practice its really hard to get to it. By the time soviets can call-in 120mm mortars both Ost\OKW dont have properly established army to orginize such pushes, which can "just" overhelm. They might be able to out-play soviet player, but its a question of a player skill which is irrelevant on the topic.

And even if you somehow managed to flank and push, soviet player still have 4 models to spare + retreat button on top of it.

Situation is becoming even more ludacris when you add supporting teammates.

I mean sure Panzerwerfers can counter it, Stuka can counter it somewhat, but what difference it makes if you are unchallanged for at least 1\3 of the game (without stuka around for even more). Which on its own just allows you to snowball like crazy.