While I agree with your assessment, allies will always need to have an edge in TDs as long as panthers and king tigers are stock- 2/3 allied factions can't non doc field armour that will bounce a pak.
Infantry have been power crept to all hell which is definitely problematic.
I have been reading recently a number of post portraying a picture of axis TDs being on parallel with allied. I have simply pointed out that this not the case.
The question imo is not weather allies need better TDs than axis but if their current performance/design is good. Imo it is not. This units should not be so powerful nor should they be so expensive. |
talking of vet, regarding reload, panther, e8 and comet all have to wait till vet 3 to get better reload and at that point, the panther get 30% compare to 20% of the other two, and comet doesnt event have reload vet up to last major patch. again, problem ?
Reload is one component of ROF.
ROF of for the vehicles you brought up are:
Panther 6.65
Easy8 6.55
Comet 6.4
vet 3
Panther 5.03
Easy8 5.29
Comet 5.17
In addition the vehicles/guns you have chosen to compare fit different categories since Panther has a pure ATG gun while the other have an AI/AT gun.
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Allies have a clear advantage when it comes to TDs. Now if ones combines that with fact that they have an advantage in infatry too (accept some doctrinal solution) one will see why allies play infatry/TDs combo (or some Super heavy) and why axis play with artillery. |
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Name: "Combat Blitz".Duration: 10 Seconds Cost: 30 Munitions
for heavies (excluding PzIV and doctrinal Ostwind)
+20% accuracy.
-25% received accuracy.
+20% speed.
+25% rate of fire.
Bonuses,except rate of fire, working only on the move.
Name: "Blitzkrieg Tactics" Duration: 15 Seconds Cost: 30 Munitions
-25% received accuracy.
+15% speed.
+30% ac/de-celeration.
Bonuses working only on the move. |
1 important part about Ost weapon crew is they can use Pion to crew weapon teams. While other infantry has 30m sight, they have 45m sight which is pretty much self-spotting.
Base sight is 35 pioneers sight 42. |
Ironically the Firefly is actually the worst of the Allied TDs in terms of penetration at 260/240/210, and most importantly it doesn't get a veterancy penetration bonus unlike the others. Its "raw penetration" is rather lacklustre (which is why it gets Tulip rockets).
As for your comparison, the Firefly vs Jagdpanzer IV, when both are vet 0 the Jagdpanzer IV actually has a faster theoretical time to kill against similar targets (Tiger with 300 armor and 1080hp vs Churchill Croc/AVRE with 290 armor and 1080hp) than the Firefly at 55s versus 66s.
Is that comparison taking into account Tulips?
The comparison is also not ideal since FF overkills these target with 1200 damage, while the JP with 1120.
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Honestly I never understood this design, why would Axis get TDs which main goal is to couter mediums, while Axis objectively already has so many tools to counter mediums, while against heavyes they have no other reliable option but panther.
I doubt there was a "design". Certain units like the M36 and Su-85 simply got overbuffed while some heavy tank where power creeped. |
Incorrect.
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That is incorrect mrgame2 is actually correct.
Allied TDs are more accurate than the Panther. They also gain more accuracy with veterancy.
Su-85 and M36 have better ROF than Panther. They also gain reload bonuses. |
Well....yes...
Glad to see that you agree, this is simple response to claim made in this thread that the Panther gets meaningful defensive bonus.
Almost as if its meant to go against generalists with armor and massive health pool that was moved to vet0 is supposed to be defense vs TDs, eh?
This post does not really make any sense at all and it has nothing to do with what I have posted so pls do not quote me if you are going to post irrelevant things.
In your opinion does the Panther get meaningful defensive bonus or not?
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The armor bonus Panther get is hardly meaningful defensive bonus since it hardly lower the chance to be penetrate by allied TDs.
Actually units like SU-85 have better chance to penetrate a Panther at vet 2 than at vet 0 since they get x3 times the penetration bonus than the armor bonus Panther gets. |
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