Seven man conscripts were proving too potent with only the Molotov and AT grenade requirements, especially in conjunction with the price reduction in Soviet Tier 2 tech, and the traditional Soviet T70 power spike at very similar timing. The following change will represent a more meaningful choice for Soviet players.
- Mobilize reserves now costs 25 fuel and 100 Manpower to unlock (previously was 75 munitions)
- It still requires Molotov and AT Grenade tech, in addition to Soviet T3 being built.
This change was added in the 1.2 patch version.
Not sure if this is a good idea. One main reason why Conscrips are considered inferior to Penals was that they do not perform as well in combat for their price and that big MP and FU investments for AT nade and molotov are required to really make the best use of them, which heavily delayed the T34. The AT nade FU cost was then reasonably lowered from 35 to 10. To counteract the inferior AI ability, Cons were given mobilized reserves for mun.
Now mobilized reserves costs 25 FU and more MP, which gives more AI DPS for Cons, but also slightly reduces map presence of SOV and delays the T35 again. Fuelwise, we're back to the very old build, since now the complete upgrade package of AT nade, molotov and mobilized reserves costs as much as the molotov+AT nade of the old version (again - which was considered to delay the T34 too much).
Also is the upgrade now global? Or is it still possible to upgrade single squads?
Bazooka Range seems like shit at first since it doesn't even affect the Elite Bazookas (it only affects the standard ones), and only grants a measly 5% range increase at that (for a total of 36.75 range, 35*1.05), but because of how the range stats work with bazooka, to my knowledge it will also essentially increase the accuracy and penetration of the bazooka all the way out to its new max range (albeit by a factor of only 5% still), which could conceivably come in handy. It also makes it a little easier to kill vehicles trying to escape, but the bazooka is trash at killing stuff anyway so meh.
I don't know the bulletin in the attribute editor, but range increase does not necessarily also increase the accuracy. In the editor, there is a "far range" and a "max range" attribute. For most weapons the variables have the same value, but from my understanding if the max range is greater than the far range, accuracy etc will be the same as far range.
Long story short:
I assume that you only get a accuracy buff if the bulletin modifies the far range. If it modifies the max range, probably not. I have not tested this, just my thoughts. Testing it would also be a huge pain in the ass.
In my opinion, the best bulletins are the ones that make you vet up 10% faster. That's quite handy.
Cons get suppressed with the first burst pinned in the second. Shocks don't. If OKW is freely blobbing and rushing you after early game then something is wrong.
SOV has the Katyusha, doctrinal napalm,doctrinal shocks to face the blob and send in the nuclear nade, fear propaganda bullshit etc.
USF has Scott,Pack Howi, doctrinal CalliOP
UKF has Centaur strafe,doctrinal Land Matress etc.
Even with valiant assault the blob have to stop to shoot. You got your window of opportunity.
Shocks can also get supressed really quickly. Nobody doubted that a sprint would not be of use. But apart from that that still does not nullify my argument that they can't frontally wipe an MG, since they need to close in first.
Also blobbing is a viable tactic from low to high rank matchups, your argument is pretty pointless and not backed up.
Honestly, I already covered most of this, so I'll just make a short version:
Mortars/howitzer won't work against fast moving infantry, rocket artillery is a real gamble and luck based, Scott micro intensive when you need your eye on your infantry.
This leaves us with Shocks for SOV, not sure if they will work reliably though. They can soak a lot of damage, but you need damage dealers in the back to deal with the enemy infantry. Also I do hope that you see a design issue with the fact that your opponent's commander pick forces you to counterpick a very specific strategy. And good luck if you already locked in a commander as SOV by the second CP.
USF has basically no real counter.
UKF has Centaur with the risk of getting snared and killed by OKW P4. I hope that land matress was a joke.
The "window of opportunity" is usually shorter than the time you need to land your artillery. This means that you need to rely on your opponent's mistakes rather than outplaying him.
Spriting does not reduce suppression. It reduces the time being exposed to suppression. Shocks also have the body armor to evade hits. I would rather face 3volks+1falls than 2 shocks.
Yes, that's basically what I also said. Still Shocks can not wipe an MG frontally and you have a few more seconds to get your MG out. You barely have time to react if a blob comes in at max sight range and shoots the gunner.
If it's just about sprint please explain to me how you frontally Ourah an MG42 with conscripts without getting suppressed.
and i know u are fan boy ,no need to hide it i mean u literally said "There are more and similar abilities in other factions ("For mother Russia" for example), but I'm not sure if the buffs are comparable. Also, these abilities tend to share the same fate that Valiant Assault had - that is being stuck in bad commanders. But unlike Valiant Assault, I don't think that the commanders get a significant buff."
and u ddin0t even ever us the ability as u didn't know they can't shoot and sprint
yesterday i got called an allied fan boy by an axis fan boy
how can i be both ?
we never see the air bone commander for okw, but se did see the b4 commander in tournaments, it has good roster of kv 1(which is getting buffed, and is already a mini Churchill), recon, shoock troops
and the very situational b4(for 1vs1 for team game is very good)
airborne has defensive fort , stuka smoke, falls (still a jk not even worth comparing to shock) and stuka support
The B4 strat is super cheesy and you know that. The B4 commander itself is average and not part of the current meta. And the reason that we did not see the Luftwaffe commander is due to the fact that first it's average at best at the moment (but might come back into the meta with the new patch), and second that there was the almighty Spec Ops doctrine that was picked almost every time in the tournament. Overwatch is also a good commander that did not get picked, that does not make Overwatch bad. It just means that Spec Ops is better. Same thing might also have happened to the B4 commander.
The fact that I did not focus on it is because I don't own it, so it's hard to judge. Also the KV1 buff does not directly target the B4 commander. It could be back into the meta as a side effect, but the Fallschirmjäger rework is way more likely to give the respective commander more survivability.
Spring on a squad that doesn't even get suppressed in many occasions or has a smoke with armor will always run down the MG. No you do not always need the long range DPS. If that is the case why bother using Falls when you can do better with Obers.
That's missing the point. The reason that Fallschirmjäger get reworked is that Obersoldaten are usually the better choice. I'm talking about problems that might come up after the patch, when Falls will likely be better or have their own niche.
Also sprinting does not reduce suppression. You can flank more easily, but the main problem is that the OKW blob runs frontally into your MG and kills the gunner, which is your MG gone. Shocks can't do that, they need to run around the MG which gives you a few more seconds to react. Shocks also can't snare, so you could drive a vehicle very close to push the models around and deal more damage.
or the mid far dps of penal and cos
I know you're pro Axis, but there's no need to clutter the thread with that. I obviously always targeted For mother Russia as well, but thought that the Luftwaffe commander will probably get the biggest buff, so we will see it more often than the SOV B4 commander. And say what you want but while Penals are very capable units, Fallschirmjäger do have way better mid/long range DPS than Penals.
Not sure what you mean with "cos", if you mean Conscrips than that's plain wrong.
No falls won't. Their FG-42 damage spreads through the models. If I remember correctly DerbyHat has proven that.
And for shocks they are not gonna snipe it, they are gonna run it down.
First, running frontally into an MG even with sprint is rarely a good idea, unless it's a Maxim, then it can work.
Second Falls are great units for wiping and decrewing because they have decent mid and long range DPS, so they can wipe/decrew squads at high sight range. Shocks won't wipe if the enemy squad leaves close range, because their DPS drops off drastically
And as DerbyHat established, moving the squad will cancel firing, so "running" it down is apparently not an option. You need the mid/far DPS if Fallschirmjäger and Volks.
no ? u have penal for that, they get 50% INSTEAD OF 25% accuracy
Penals cando that, Shocks can't. Katitof responded to a post that was about shocks.
Yes they can fire, but not while moving.
Really? Wow. Well if that's true than forget the moving DPS point as it's invalid.
I thought that was a thing.
Played the commander quite often several months ago, I did not notice that.