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Thread: UKF September patch discussion29 Aug 2019, 11:19 AM Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2019, 11:13 AMAarotron There is diffirence in vehicle dying in one burst that lasts in seconds while your in your given example there is considerable time sunk to perform it. I dont belive there is necessarily other things wrong with unit. And changes that were implemented in this patch are fine for me. There is also considerable cost difference, which you ignored despite me specifically underlining it. Luchs and T70 also have performance difference favoring T70, but T70 is also considerably more expensive. Same thing with bofors, especially preview bofors, which is completely impotent now. Don't blindly a-move your lights into fog of war. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: OKW September patch discussion29 Aug 2019, 11:16 AM Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2019, 11:04 AMVipper And with the coming patch Soviet T2 and Ostheer tech is also becoming cheaper. Eventually OKW tech will also have to become cheaper. Soviet T2, namely maxim, was nerfed out of the game, it really was only a matter of time before it gets equalized in cost to T1 as T1 offers superior firepower and support for along time now, you basically paid more to get less. Ost is also hardly comparable, given the fact they have one tier extra compared to other factions(soviet T1 and T2 are equal in power, different in utilities - on paper that is and hopefully I don't need to explain why 4 soviet tiers can't be compared to 4 ost tiers) and that extra tier was underused due to cost gate, so that's too justified. OKW tech costs aren't out of line compared to any other faction in game so no, they will not have to become cheaper, because there are no cost imbalances there. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: OKW September patch discussion29 Aug 2019, 10:57 AM Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2019, 10:14 AMVipper And nothing prevented USF from getting all tech and were the only faction being rewarded with 3 officers yet their tech tree was overhauled. You might want to re-read the reasons why that has happened. Not a single one of them translates to OKW, because OKW ATG and HMG aren't exactly locked in different techs. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: UKF September patch discussion29 Aug 2019, 10:51 AM Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2019, 05:09 AMAarotron My issue with bofros was alway damage to light vehicles. If 222 ever even ened up close to it and you werent microing it, it was 100% dead. Also smoking it and trying to rush it does not always work as bofros can still target ground. Go check what OKW cheap flak turrets do to lights up to 30 fuel. Return here with surprised picachu face. A unit that costs 3x as much fuel is well justified to perform 3x as good. Another droplet of wisdom I hope you'll soak is: "you weren't microing it" argument leads to conscripts killing tigers and isn't any argument. "you weren't microing it" leads to situations like ullumulu has in his games, where 50 range unit loses to immobile 40 range unit. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Panzerfusiliers Need Adjustments29 Aug 2019, 10:49 AM Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2019, 10:12 AMthedarkarmadillo Penals themselves arnt even balanced but they are there because Soviet DON'T have non doc infantry capable of doing anything. They are what are keeping the faction afloat so making fussies like penals without the holes that have made penals as they are a necessity will be broken. That makes them penals backed by an mg, backed by mainline infantry that can actually fight. Penals that don't cost 160mp just to unlock. Penals without any of the sacrifice that "justifies" the Power of the penals And you forgot to mention a sliiiiight difference in power between engineers of both factions. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: OKW September patch discussion29 Aug 2019, 10:10 AM Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2019, 10:09 AMVipper If the trend of easier tech option that started with USF started and now continued to Ostheer and Soviet I really see no other option but to allow OKW to get all trucks also. Nothing prevents them from getting all trucks and in fact, they are the only faction that is rewarded with doing so by allowing super heavy to be built. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Thoughts on OKWs Flak Half Track29 Aug 2019, 09:32 AM Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2019, 09:22 AMBalanced_Gamer It is the same timing. No different. While USF has to tech for getting it but OKW has to tech for medics, still would cost around the same price. Timing is not that much different. Takes just as long (similarly but not that much a difference in contrast) for OKW also. If you say later, it is not even 5 min. It is similar timing. I played enough to know that USF AA comes definitely earlier than Luchs. Later than FHT, I dont think so. Medics are optional side tech(as mandatory as they are, they don't need to be firs thing made at BGHQ) and are not required to unlock FHT, so that argument is void. And timing is significantly different, it can be up to 2 minute difference in 1v1 and 2v2 which is massive that early into the game. Why do you think Luchs has had its build time increased massively couple of patches ago? Because it arrived too fast out of mechanized and you want it to be out even faster - that equals to BFHQ having increased cost to match mechanized, which does the exact opposite of what you're aiming for, it nerfs BGHQ. Do you now see why luchs will never leave mechanized? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Thoughts on OKWs Flak Half Track29 Aug 2019, 09:10 AM Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2019, 09:06 AMBalanced_Gamer All true indeed. USF AA is definitely much more consistent and efficient while OKW FHT simply isnt. Its also more expensive and arrives later. Yes, more expensive units that arrive later will perform better then cheaper units that arrive earlier if they have the same role. You've hardly discovered amerika here. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: OKW September patch discussion29 Aug 2019, 07:59 AM Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2019, 07:51 AMSmartie Hi guys, Can we please have a discussion about ways to limit the huge power gap between battlegroup and mechanized hq? I would like to see more radical changes- and it is surprising imo that we havent discussed the option of swapping units between mechanized and battlegroup. luchs could be moved to battlegroup flak ht moved to mechanized this change would make a lot of sense imo because... the luchs can better operate on its own compared to the flak ht the flak ht would be a lot better if you could protect it with the puma battlegroup would be a lot better but mechanized not significantly worse. I know that costs propably had to be adjudted but could we at least give more radical (it doesnt have to be this idea) changes a try? I mean we dont have nothing to loose- if things dont work out the way we hoped for we can go back to the status quo. Thats exactly the way you have chosed with loweting okw's starting ressources. Now is the time for bold moves. Lets use this chance and test as many different approaches as possible. That would warrant battlegroup cost increase to the level of mechanized, because of timing issues on P2. It can't arrive any sooner then it does now. However keep in mind that with changes to schwerer, going BG HQ will allow you to rush obers relatively fast and that alone should suffice if you get a PF or 2 for AT to fend off allied lights. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Panzerfusiliers Need Adjustments29 Aug 2019, 07:19 AM Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2019, 06:53 AMGeblobt Volks arent op. Volks aren't op to the point where they are getting price increase. That's literal definition of op for the cost. In: COH2 Balance