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5man Grens are broken OP and LMG Grens are very good.

Yes and no. I think lmg Grens are fine but thats debatable i guess. But they are not "very good" thats for sure.

About Pgrens:
Thats what happens when you triple buff units (Pgrens got a strong vet 1 ability, better timing and better vet spread).
The first step is to fix their timing imo. Move them into T2. You have to get that building anyway for at guns and 222, so its mostly just a little timing nerf. And if thats not enough you can rebalance their vet again. But i suggest to start with adjusting the timing at first and see what Osttruppen and 5Man Gren nerf does for the balance overall.

Penals are fine except their at upgrade, cause that gets worthless pretty fast. Maybe a t4 buff like cons get is needed.

This isn't true. Last time I checked the stats when comparing a 4man gren and 4man tommy squad, the grens had better stats with most things. Better damage, better accuracy, better reload times, rate of fire (out of cover) This is why I said, the UKF player has to get the bolster squad, or else struggle with weaker infantry. True they're better when in cover, but it's easy to counter that with things like grenades, assault inf, arty, ect

Saying they're going to lose a model is kinda a moot point, because this goes both ways and depends who was in cover first and who ran into who's line of sight.
Also idk where you're saying the UKF player is going to get 5man and LMGs at the same time. That's a 45 fuel cost, plus another 35 (or 30 don't remember) since 5man now requires platoon command post.
At this point the axis player will have enough for light vehicles, or if Ost will get a P4/Ostwind out faster.
There's also the fact that the Ost player will have the borderline OP MG2 to abuse tommies to prevent unfavorable match ups.
Lastly, by the time the UKF player gets bolster, the Ost player will have Pgrens which can stomp on tommies anyway if the Ost player has the skill.

Also disagree on scaling. Cons are weak unless you go airborne and 7man. And rifles /must/ get BARs just so they can compete late game, or else they'll get stomped on by things like obers

1. You can check here again: https://coh2.serealia.ca

2. The problem is you gonna lose models faster when you charge units and at the same time your dps is reduced. And cause grens lose long range vs sections they either have to close the distance to win or accept the outcome and stall until more units arrive. Either way they will lose the trade as long as both forces have equal amount of units.

3. Brits have to pay 35 fuel (bolster) and 30 fuel (tech) to advance to T2. Ost needs 10+20 fuel (both buildings) and 40 fuel (tech). So its 65 vs 70. And cause 70>65 my point still stands.

4.Yeah pgrens arrive quite fast atm and probably should get back in the t2 building.

5.Cons still have some utility and their vet3 is quite potent. But yeah they get into trouble vs STG Volks and Lmg Grens until vet3 (+t4). But lategame they are overall the best mainline unit in the Game.

6. Atleast Rifle have the option. Grens (except the op 5Men upgrade) and Volks are just running at-nades and lose vs everything but pios at that stage of the game. And there is nothing that dies faster against rocket arty and other explosives than Obers (RIP). I wish they would get dmg reduction like Grens and lose some of their rec acc for that.

Maybe remove the Faust from them and give them a anti-tank upgrade instead of the lmg after t4 tech? So they can get abused by light vehicles like Assgrens and on the other side have some more use in the late game/ teamgames as cheap anti-tank units. That could either be ptrs/panzerbüchse as a soft at or 1/2 shrecks as hard at.

Close teamgame on Elst.

They bitchslap infantry sections HARD and can easily burst models down due to very high accuracy(over 80% at FAR range with 16 dmg) and just murderfuck any unvetted infantry in game.

There is a reason they come so late you know, allowing them into early game means 100% light vehicle play against OKW being forced upon allies, which then is hardcountered by puma.

Penals, even at their absolutely strongest at least bled menpower, Obers don't due to target size of 0.7 (PGs have 0.8).

Or, to put it differently, imagine that we're getting old soviet indistry passive and T-70 arrives in 4th minute instead of 7th. That is the level of impact early game obers would have on infantry play.

You basically would have to butcher their stats into bit stronger volks to make them reasonable before their current timing and suggesting they would come at 3rd minute is a sheer ignorance of their stats.

Unit / MP Cost / Popcap / HP / Dmg10 / Dmg20 / Dmg 35

Obers 340 9 457 25,7 20,8 14,8
Penal 300 8 480 26,4 18,6 10,8
Falls 340 9 386 33,6 25,6 18
Pgren 340 8 400 47,2 28 4

Falls are probably stronger than current k98 Obers and they dont make OKW an unstoppable force. The performance between vet0 volks and vet0 5 men sections is probably bigger than the difference between vet0 Obers and vet 0 5men section. Still people say its fine and ignore how OKW get dumpstered in 1vs1.

And yeah if they are too strong at that timing just adjust their vet0 rec acc from 0,7 to ~0,80-0,85 and move it to vet 4-5. The current timing is unreasonable for an unit that dies way to fast against explosives, has not at and still doesnt outperform other elite inf that arrives at cp 2-3. Playing heavy light vehicle build (and thats meta in 2vs2 atleast) feels really bad without JLI/Falls.