Profile of Hannibal

I think the SU76 is fine in miragefla's mod.

What did he do with it?

Mostly Hans, he is pretty damn adept at retreat wiping with rnades.

Yes, he is the (almost?) only player known to pull it off somewhat reliably but even he fails regularly. But this just reinforces the point that your statement was wrong.

Regarding the other point, I'm perfectly fine with bundle nades, I'm simply saying that just because something is different or not "in line" with imaginary "benchmark" does not mean its wrong or imbalanced.

Bundle nades are fine and so are shock nades.
I see nothing wrong with 2cp+ elite CQC squad having better nades, especially if it has lowest CQC DPS in comparison to other CQC elites.

You just made two posts about saying bundle nade were not fine on stock units without further reasoning, just after saying that different factions and units have different abilities to then state that Shock grenade is fine.

I don't agree with Vipper's conclusion or actually ShadowLinks initial assessment of Shock nade being OP, but I can see the point that if two abilities cost the same and are functionally the same, but one is straight up better than the other, then this ability deserves a closer look. It might not always be the best option design wise, but standardizing it to some form of benchmark makes balancing the whole game much easier (and the game more dull unfortunately). CoH2 has seen other approaches as well, but turns out that this creates a monstrosity to balance, more than this community can handle with the few people working on it and the few patches we get every once in a while. Benchmarking stuff is the most effective way for CoH2 to make the game balanced, so a deviation from that should have a good reason.

Basically what I said in a couple of posts upward, don't understand how some people can't grasp that.

Pershing has 960HP: Taken from the last pershing patch in the official forum. Armor was nerfed to 270 and HP increased to 960.

Perfect, thanks. Didn't update that yet, already had the feeling that something was off.

1) I'm basing that on what I see people on streams do with nades.
2) I didn't mean that squad that fights the other squad is the same one that retreat wipes it, in fact, that almost never happens, its always squad on retreat behind them.

I don't know what streams you watch, but I recommend to probably look a little closer next time. Even at high level, not all players manage to pull off those long delay wipes, especially with the rifle grenade.

But regardless of that, the statement is still objectively wrong.

Yes, they used to be even stronger.
There is little to no reason why such a powerful nade should be available stock to non limited troops.

The availability of Obers and PGrens is effectively limited by their high costs and bleed.
I am also not sure what the train of thought here is because for the last page you argued that squads with less DPS are fine with stronger nades, but I think this whole discussion would lead too far off this thread because it would involve the complete design of Obers/PGrens.

So back to topic:
I think Shocks are probably fine with their nade. It does not hit you out of the blue since it usually is very obvious when they throw it and it fits their theme as breachers. If I had problems with Shocks it was actually never their grenade but that they just chew threw everything if you fail to stop them as soon as you unveil them. But overall they are fine, it's just that they are crazy good on urban areas where Axis lack proper counters at the time Shocks show up. Maybe they could do with a 1 sec fuse, but overall Shock balance is probably more depending on the weapon profile and RA than on the grenade.

You can wipe on retreat just as easily with rifle nade as you can with satchel charge if you know all the above.

I think the rest of your post would be way more impactful if that part weren't just a straight up lie.

Also bundle nades are already standardized - to light gammon bombs.