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Thread: StuG and JPIV Penetration9 Jun 2019, 00:57 AM Jump back to quoted post8 Jun 2019, 23:34 PMKatitof You're playing wrong game is your stugs are outspammed by MORE EXPENSIVE TANKS. Not a singular allied med tank gets penetration, self repairs or damage. Stats say that only allied tank that performs better at AI is HE sherman, all other meds perform WORSE because they have LOWER AOE and HIGHER SCATTER. Rear armor is completely irrelevant for all med tank combat. Seriously, what is up with you and constant lying about everything past week?? If you factor in the price, T36/76 is a very good AI medium tank, probably better than the P4s. But back on topic: Jump back to quoted post8 Jun 2019, 18:47 PMmrgame2 Not just panther, Stug get outspam by T34 and shermans easily too. So you just admit Axis tanks are overpriced for the performance finally? I been saying, vet bonus for Axis tanks needs a revamp, either pen/range for stug and rear armor for panther and HE shell for P4. Allies tank vet bonus are great for tank roles, penetration, speed, self repairs, accuracy, damages. Allies tank perform stronger AI roles already, and with weaken rear armor of Axis tank, AT role have improved drastically. Armor skirts vet is a joke now sadly. Most of that is just plain wrong. The only tank that gets damage increase with vet is the Firefly. Most Allied tanks get penetration bonuses, while Axis get armor, which are two sides of the same medal. Technically, an equivalent armor bonus is superior because pen will cap at 100% penetration chance while additional armor will always help you. In my eyes, Axis tank vet is fine for the most part. They could do with some more speed though. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: StuG and JPIV Penetration8 Jun 2019, 12:40 PM StuG and JP are a testimony too how much Brits changed the game. Axis usually did not face heavy armor, because standard tanks of Soviets and USF are relatively light. So these two units worked well against all allied tanks, and Panther was only needed as a heavy brawler and break through unit. For allies, only Brits can field heavily armored tanks which makes team games more difficult since your JPIV might work or not, depending which enemy your currently face in that moment. On the other hand, a JP4 has a decent 70% pen-rate against a churchill and drops to about 50 % vs real heavy tanks like pershing and IS-2. If your enemy goes for a ~230 fuel unit, I think it should be alright to build a 185 fuel Panther. StuG and JP4 currently have the role of fighting off mediums (and the JP4 also can fight off other TDs), which they are actually pretty good at. I think the split is fine, since Axis are the only two factions who two TDs. Specializing them in one cheaper alternative fighting off mediums and the other costly alternative fighting off heavies is a good thing. In: COH2 Balance

Thread: StuG and JPIV Penetration9 Jun 2019, 00:57 AM

8 Jun 2019, 23:34 PMKatitof

You're playing wrong game is your stugs are outspammed by MORE EXPENSIVE TANKS.
Not a singular allied med tank gets penetration, self repairs or damage.
Stats say that only allied tank that performs better at AI is HE sherman, all other meds perform WORSE because they have LOWER AOE and HIGHER SCATTER.
Rear armor is completely irrelevant for all med tank combat.

Seriously, what is up with you and constant lying about everything past week??

If you factor in the price, T36/76 is a very good AI medium tank, probably better than the P4s.

But back on topic:

8 Jun 2019, 18:47 PMmrgame2

Not just panther, Stug get outspam by T34 and shermans easily too.

So you just admit Axis tanks are overpriced for the performance finally?

I been saying, vet bonus for Axis tanks needs a revamp, either pen/range for stug and rear armor for panther and HE shell for P4.

Allies tank vet bonus are great for tank roles, penetration, speed, self repairs, accuracy, damages.
Allies tank perform stronger AI roles already, and with weaken rear armor of Axis tank, AT role have improved drastically.

Armor skirts vet is a joke now sadly.

Most of that is just plain wrong. The only tank that gets damage increase with vet is the Firefly. Most Allied tanks get penetration bonuses, while Axis get armor, which are two sides of the same medal. Technically, an equivalent armor bonus is superior because pen will cap at 100% penetration chance while additional armor will always help you.
In my eyes, Axis tank vet is fine for the most part. They could do with some more speed though.

In: COH2 Balance

Thread: StuG and JPIV Penetration8 Jun 2019, 12:40 PM

StuG and JP are a testimony too how much Brits changed the game. Axis usually did not face heavy armor, because standard tanks of Soviets and USF are relatively light. So these two units worked well against all allied tanks, and Panther was only needed as a heavy brawler and break through unit.
For allies, only Brits can field heavily armored tanks which makes team games more difficult since your JPIV might work or not, depending which enemy your currently face in that moment.
On the other hand, a JP4 has a decent 70% pen-rate against a churchill and drops to about 50 % vs real heavy tanks like pershing and IS-2. If your enemy goes for a ~230 fuel unit, I think it should be alright to build a 185 fuel Panther.
StuG and JP4 currently have the role of fighting off mediums (and the JP4 also can fight off other TDs), which they are actually pretty good at. I think the split is fine, since Axis are the only two factions who two TDs. Specializing them in one cheaper alternative fighting off mediums and the other costly alternative fighting off heavies is a good thing.

In: COH2 Balance