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Thread: COH3 April 18 Q&A discussion19 Apr 2023, 07:58 AM Jump back to quoted post19 Apr 2023, 05:34 AMblvckdream Writing words is too much for Relic. They have exhausted themselves with the amazingly detailed faction icons. 5 minutes of MS paint is too much for the average Relic "ARTIST". Dude, Relic had to program MS paint in the essence engine from the ground up first. All new animations and stuff. You'd be exhausted, too. Ontopic: I agree with Rosbone, this post is heavily out of touch with the community. The balance discussion+update tomorrow will be the last straw, but Relic would have to deliver fantastic work. Steam is down to "Mostly negative" at 39%, which just looks really really bad for everyone browsing the game on the Steam store. While after release I still thought that Relic can turn the game around eventually, I've become way more doubtful. They might still make a good game out of it in the end, but it does not matter if the game dies before that's the case. They're losing their player base with these actions. In: COH3 Central
Thread: AE's State of Coh318 Apr 2023, 20:54 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Apr 2023, 19:30 PMThunderhun What I don't understand is how the balance is a mess and meta is one-dimensional after promising community cooperation from the start. It might have been only lip service to boost marketing. It might have also been failed project planning, where the project and implementations how exactly the community will be incorporated have not been laid out properly, then game development lagged behind, Relic fell into damage control and panic mode, went back to the normal dev cycles that everyone knows and community was low priority. This would be in line with the fact that they started out with a very early, surprising and well communicated alpha test, but did not plan for a MP test and only squeezed it in after delaying the game. I wouldn't blame Relic for a one dimensional meta though. A game with this complexity and interactions takes months to years to balance. There wasn't even a meta after one week of MP test and the community put tons of hours in. The devs can playtest, but not all the possible setups and strategies and not at all skill levels. CoH2 took years to balance, even once the community took over we went from one often one sided meta to the next for the first two years at least. CoH3 is even more complex than CoH2, so that task is even harder. That doesn't excuse Relic from taking ages to release a hopefully proper balance patch. In: COH3 Central
Thread: AE's State of Coh318 Apr 2023, 17:33 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Apr 2023, 17:10 PMgunther09 If you do not like a game, walk away Bitching about all bad games out there makes no sense at all. (it will keep you busy though) So why all this persistent raging about COH3? I guess it is disappointment. Emotionally involved, with expectations not met. Relic now has gotten this message for sure. Many are disappointed. They know that. Now what can we do? Keep raging. That keeps you (all those who are not satisfied) in this unhappy trench for a long time. And it will at some point also lead to frustration and bad reactions at Relic. Not good in the long run for you and everybody. Walk away. Good for you (ends the frustration) Wait (do sth else in the meantime) Accept what is, lower your expectations, enjoy what you have (challenging, but possible) Assuming Relic has received enough hate/rage/criticism, and I think they have, I want to be a missionary for path 2-4. They all make you more happy than 1. cheers I don't get this argumentation. Yes, not every rage is fair and good, but walking away from problems only works if you expect them to not come back and bite you. Suggesting to not complain is suggesting to not voice your concern. Why? Why should I not voice it? You're basically saying their opinion should not matter because it has been heard often enough or because it is invalid in the first place (basically point 2, the only reason is frustration). That's nonsense. The gaming industry has seen a lot of cash grabs, Relic and CoH3 show clear first signs of that. If you like the franchise and let them get away with it, complain. That's good and fair. New players need to hear about the issues and Relic needs to have the pressure. If everyone just reads 'the game is fine' and 'I'm having fun', nothing will change and both your favourite game and franchise in particular, as well as the gaming industry overall will become worse. Jump back to quoted post18 Apr 2023, 17:13 PMdonofsandiego This line of thinking is a nonstarter. If Relic thinks they can pull that shit and leave CoH 3 in this state, they're done. I don't know about you Hannibal, but I would be absolutely DONE with Relic. They wouldn't see even a fraction of a cent from me going forward. They would confirm, in no uncertain terms, that they are soulless and motivated only by the drive to provide returns to investors, and not to make a game that is actually worth the space it takes up on my SSD. You had better hope they don't pull this. I'm serious. I guess Relic would downsize significantly, mass layoffs and become a mid sized company developing a new franchise. CoH would probably be dead as well. They might found a new studio if they deem Relic as a brand as taintes. It's not nice, but thinkable from an economic point. If the costs for fixing would vastly outdo the gains, it might be done. Company restructurings like that have been done plentifully. My main point is that we have people shouting both 'Don't worry, Relic will surely fix everything' and 'Relic/CoH will go down and bancrupt', while neither of them actually knows shit. None of us does, we don't know where the manager's currently evaluate the franchise. Both sides who deal in those absolutes are talking nonsense. I doubt we'll see any shutdown in the next months. Not even trying would be an odd decision. DoW3 has been abandoned 10 months in, but the game was dead after a few weeks. Compared to that dead corpse, CoH3 is super healthy. There's still a player base, a lot of fans, probably decentish first sales. It would be stupid not to try for a few more months to fix the game and see how many players come back. Current player numbers won't support a studio of Relic's size either. If the patches don't bring the game back, then I can see Relic ceasing support. But that decision is probably a couple of months away. In: COH3 Central
Thread: AE's State of Coh318 Apr 2023, 16:57 PM AE's video is alright. I don't agree with quite some points or at least the conclusion from them, but a discussion is not about everyone having the same opinion as you yourself do. The comparison to CoH2 in my eyes is a bit misleading. Yes, CoH2 had serious issues too at release and Relic fixed it into a really good game. CoH3 has (my opinion) overall deeper issues, but also a lot of improvements that the player base actually wants. CoH2's release tells us not much, because 10 years have passed and company policies might have changed a lot since then. Will Relic abandon the game? Hard to tell. I don't know why so many of you are sure they either will or won't. We know jack shit. Yes, players are leaving the game, more so than CoH2 at release in relative terms while Relic has likely grown. The higher player number initially however also indicates more potential for a bounce back. It also does not matter if SEGA already made their money back or not. What matters is if CoH3 is from now on a viable investment. Is it worth putting 1-2 more years of updates and expansions into an already released game? Or is it better to invest the time into the next development cycle of a new game? We can't tell, that's a very complex decision and depends on SEGA's and Relic's market research and expectations, as well as current funding. There's also other factors like PR and reputation to it. Point is, unless you're really working in financial analytics or have insights into SEGA and Relic specifics, it's way too early to jump on either of the trains. Average Joes like us don't have the info yet, it's been two months since release. I've seen worse games recover, and better games fail due to a lack of support. Under Microsoft, Relic has shown to be able to support AoE4 long term. Hard to say if they do the same thing under SEGA, but unless SEGA decides to flip the kill switch, Relic has the capability of actually doing the right thing long term. We'll see what happens in the next couple of months. In: COH3 Central
Thread: Leaked CoH3 Battlegroups17 Apr 2023, 19:45 PM Jump back to quoted post17 Apr 2023, 19:40 PMLady Xenarra Do we have any confirmation this isn't just someone's homebrew BGs being pushed into the public sphere? Gachigasm posted this basically two years ago already. This might be "dead data" by Relic and they do not plan to follow up on it but make something completely different instead, but I find this hard to believe. In: COH3 Central
Thread: Leaked CoH3 Battlegroups17 Apr 2023, 19:07 PM Jump back to quoted post17 Apr 2023, 18:02 PMdonofsandiego Leaked == Unfinished Most likely a placeholder name. Although we already know how many placeholders in CoH 3 are still there in the live version after all. Maybe, but I'd almost bet my non existing Merit that the commander will release with this ability name. In: COH3 Central
Thread: Leaked CoH3 Battlegroups17 Apr 2023, 14:18 PM What the heck are "mountain senses"? It sounds like they were unable to come up with a decent idea for the ability. In: COH3 Central
Thread: AE's State of Coh317 Apr 2023, 10:49 AM I think half of the backlash could have been avoided or at least alleviated by proper communication. It's really mind boggling how either their PR managers don't understand PR or that they are ham strung by their bosses. They always produce quite high quality videos reading from their teleprompters, but consistently miss the point of what the community wants and actually cares about. I'm following Warno at the moment. Eugen systems has (according to Google) one tenth (!) of the employees that Relic has (roughly 40 vs 400). Let's split Relic's number to 250 due to AoE4. I guess there is administration staff in those numbers as well, so not all of them are devs. The game has been released one year ago as a real early access: Fairly low content, only 2 divisions (roughly a faction on CoH's terms), but working engine. Today it has a number of divisions and way more features but is still in early access due to the lack of SP content. The overall MP state looks better to me than CoH3 by far. A quick look at the Steam news site: Weekly dev blogs, regular updates (some smaller, some bigger), every month or so a larger update with new features. They address balance issues, specify what they're working on now and how they want it to look like, roughly when to expect the feature release or why their feature/update has been delayed. They're even so honest to say that they don't release an update on Fridays because it won't be fixed over the weekend if stuff breaks. You know what? Fair enough. Good decision. They even have a post starting with "mea culpa". Why can't Relic have any of this? We don't know what they are currently working on for the most part. Parts of their "briefings" are being "redacted" by themselves when they announce it to hide hideous stuff. It's quite exceptional that at the moment we actually know that they are working on the console release and some balance update (due to the balance stream soon). But for the most part after release, there was nothing like this. It's been two months now, and the only update that Relic labeled as "large" actually wasn't. Not a single feature has been added, and few bugs squished since then. Why is a 40 men dev team seriously outperforming a company so much larger? In: COH3 Central
Thread: AE's State of Coh316 Apr 2023, 19:32 PM My "hope" for CoH3 is that once Relic manages to push out the console version, that they can finally focus on more content. If that is the case, CoH3 might improve quickly in the next ~3 months. However, this would assume that the console version is not full of bugs and glitches. Quick question: Could Relic legally just grab community maps and put them in the game (without asking)? I guess this would be a hard thing to do. Even if they put it into their terms and conditions, I doubt they would hold up to national law. The mappers should be paid for that. In: COH3 Central
Thread: Sega ESG funds dissolving14 Apr 2023, 15:15 PM Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2023, 15:02 PMGdot Sorry that was for fantomasas Also he did not claim so. He wrote SturmtigerCobra was using rhetorics of conspiracy theorists (I personally don't like that expression, but anyway) by putting the existance of ESG investmentand Sega/Relic into the same post, thereby loosely connecting them and suggesting that Relic went to shit because ESG investment were giving bad incentives to companies (or so I imagine, it is nowhere clearly written how the mechanism is supposed to work. I guess it must be hidden in the posted 1,5h video that I did not watch instead of providing a good 5 minute summary article). He does not give any proof for this claim. He throws it into the same pot saying one is causing the other, nothing else, then stirs in some memes and an unrelated wikipedia article. There is not a single piece of data or analysis or at the very least reasoning provided that connects ESG-guided investment as the cause for Relic being in a bad state. From what Cobra posts, I could as well turn his logic upside down: ESG investment will collapse because Relic keeps releasing bad games. Proof? Sega has some ESG guidelines. That's about as much "data" as OP provided. Actually, not even that. You had to go to Sega's website and look for their ESG summary. The summary is highly superficial and not providing any real corporate details or the influence of ESG on Sega's business strategy (I haven't clicked any links on the site, maybe it is further down). Cobra didn't even do the very basics for his claim. In: COH3 Central