Profile of Hannibal

If we're taking well organized teams into consideration, then vet 1 LeFHs do not exist. Or any static howitzers for that matter.

And what you are describing is nothing that a regular barrage couldn't do (better). On small chokepoint maps you don't even need recon to guess where to put a barrage with maximum effect. Putting down a regular barrage here would take 2 seconds, and you'd be guaranteed to hit that target rich area, instead of your LeFH potentially going after a lone mortar.

I mean, I get your argument, on the other hand I don't fully agree with this.

The howitzers are team game units only, so we're also talking about team games only.
Many arty units have to be at/near the front line (meaning where all the other troops are) to fire effectively. So the CB will usually target an important spot. Even if it is not the front line, it will be the reinforcement route.

And yes, it might target suboptimal points. A good player can do better barrages into the FOV. But the issue is that CB leads to having literally zero downtime. Even a good player will forget to use the barrage ability for some time after it becomes available again. CB will fire without fail, because in team games there are 1-2 barrages per minute somewhere on the map. And while there might be differences at the very top tier level, CB level the skill gap between "bad" and "average" players, simply because micro and game knowledge are limited resources here. 5 okay barrages are as good as 4 good ones, especially if I don't need to think about this unit anymore.

The vision ability just got nerfed in the patch to 65 vision range.

I think it's the other way around. CB is bad first off, but the counter argument has always been to move. The fact that that isn't the case and that CB can still gettcha is the icing on the cake.

Sander says it only saves you 3 clicks (each and every single time any sort of shell goes up in the air mind you) but no amount of clicks I have ever made have allowed me to follow units through the fog of war. It requires no effort AND it cheats but the cheat is on top of requiring nothing from the player, not secondary to it.

People here are getting almost outraged if Sanders or someone else says that tracking is only an issue in very rare circumstances and then instantly insinuate that stating this equals defending it and most of all defending the whole CB itself. It's just nuts.


Back to topic, but I can only say what I have already said before:
The thread started out as purely focusing on the tracking. It then widened a bit to CB in general which is fine by me. But many here start mixing both issues into one another to somehow "prove" their point.

Most Allied units barrage for quite some time. I have not tested it in game, but judging from what Elchino wrote they will usually be counter barraged during their barrage or at the end of it. And assuming that the barrage finishes and the Katy/... starts moving before the LeFH is set up, there is a decent chance that the Katy will be in the cone half way, so the LeFH barrages an empty spot half way on the map. If your vehicle is still in range at this time. There's a lot of conditions and in most circumstances, shift queueing your unit back to base will do exactly what is should do.

Is it still possible that you drive your Katy back to base to be barraged there? Yes, but rarely.
Is this whole tracking behaviour stupid? Absolutely.
Is it worth the drama? Nope.


This behaviour has only been discovered just now. But suddenly this is used to state that CB is OP because it tracked (no personal statement of mine on CB intended here). But this OPness went unnoticed for years, so it probably is not as a huge deal as some make it out to be.


So to sum it up:
Tracking is very stupid, CB a bit stupid, LeFH ability could use a redesign and all of this is blown out of proportion.

I wonder when people will sit back again and finally realize that the point of this thread is foremost about the tracking mechanic, and the whole CB design is secondary.

After 8 years they changed jager armor
Becasue that was meta problem in teamgames.
Hmm but Lefh CB abuse is ok because what?

That's a whataboutism. And even then missing the point.
Most people said CB needs changes. But CB showing tracking behaviour (and this is only about the tracking behaviour) is by itself not as big of an issue as some people make it out to be.