You obviously do, or you wouldn't have posted this. If you want to defend him, go ahead, but don't pretend that you are not.
The "dog in the fight" means he does not have personal gains or relations to any of the people involved. That does not mean you can't have an opinion on the matter. |
You'd also need to look at everything that has been deleted. Presumably, *IF* he was hacking, he has since uninstalled the program since he is under suspicion. You'd also have to hope/assume that he hadn't run some sort of drive/free space wipe on the SSD/HDD that the hacks were installed to. And there's still the potential that he played on his own account, on his uncle's PC, hacked via his uncle's software, but never hacked on his own computer.
It's an idea to let some one trusted analyze his PC, although I doubt there are many (if any) of us in this community with the proper knowledge/credentials to do it properly. And it wouldn't necessarily rule out foul play. And Seeking shouldn't willingly give anyone that level of access to his PC because going through a forensic process like that is extremely invasive.
Yes I fully agree. My whole point was how completely bananas and disproportionate this suggestion actually is. But I think we can leave it at this, this subject has already taken enough space. |
I think that a lot of the anti-cheat programs do look at the files on people's computers - specifically, the game directory.
Unless Steam decides to work with Relic to implement a VAC for COH2, people (allegedly including Seeking) are free to use maphacks. Most people won't because cheating feels wrong.
Yes those obviously do. They are a problem too if they transmit personal data. Optimally, they only transmit if they found something weird and the rest gets never saved.
But we don't have such a thing. If I got it correctly, people are suggesting that some 'experts' get remote control access over Seekings PC and check all installed programs and data files. |
i mean we all live to play and watch the tourneys not? but yea i meant the tourney bans.
regarding the last paragraph, yea its up to him, but it crossed my mind and the mind of others so i felt the need to mention the option. Its his call to make ofc. Maybe he would permit under supervision i dunno, but im not here to speculate. All i wanted was to mention the option.
I just find it absurd to consider this a real option. if this is taken as a serious possibility and he rightfully declines, it will just feed into 'ofc he did because they could have found the cheats' mindset and smear him further. There should be a serious step back and just let the process take its time. There have been a lot of accusations, Seeking should have his time to defend and afterwards everyone can reevaluate who he believes more. Suggestions that are so unproportionate help no one. Seeking is accused of potential cheating, not of criminal assault, murder or large scale drug trafficking. There is no reason to throw a 'let's search his private PC' into the pot.
At least my two cents. |
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Then all clips a side, maybe some the computergods that are present in this community could investigate seekings pc of traces of third party apps or the removal of such apps. (Not an computer god myself but I thought something like this could be done at the very least). That would save us time speculating on a bunch of clips of which some are quite circumstantial like Sturmtiger Ghaddaffi pointed out in his stream. Then we could even completely pass this discussion about clips, and leave that behind us.
I'll snip the first paragraphs. I am not involved in any of the processes, but from what I got the current discussion revolves around banning Seeking from ML tournaments. While this is bad for him, it is different from being banned by Relic from CoH2 in general. I am not sure if you are aware, because your post is not clear on this.
Last paragraph would be a heavy privacy breach. Unless Seeking is fine with random people searching through his private computer (which he absolutely should not be), this is definitely not an option. |
I think everyone who thinks the map itself is fine also wouldn't mind the bugs being fixed though, ofc does color results a bit.
I agree, but it is more about the people that voted to kick it out. They might have voted for a fixed version, but that did not appear as an option previously.
Just think about what would help you more for making a decision: Having one incomplete question but a truthful answer, or having a complete question but less trustworthy result. If you want, I can still change it, just give me a heads up.
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what if we let seeking speak directly to accusators in a voice chat/meeting?
So that everybody involved can tell his opinion and argue about the situation?
I mean accusators collected a lot of clips, that's fine.
Seeking trying to explain the clips, that's fine.
But in both scenario there wasnt the other side ready to reply on whatever was being said.
my 2 cents.
I mean, that's what is being done?
AE said they give him one week to appeal and explain what is going on. |
If a moderator can change the option in the final poll to:
"No, Vilshanka is fine and should rather be fixed"
That would be nice, altough it's probably out of the realm of possibility to happen at this point, with Rosbone having given it a shot already.
Also slight grammar error in second poll option, should be:
"Yes, I like how it plays"
I mean, I can, but I doubt it is a good idea with so many votes already being casted. The ones who already voted can't change ti anymore. |
A_E said they double checked the ML replays with the live casts and found no difference in the fog of war. I'll take that over Rosbone arbitrarily declaring how consistent fog of war is off the top of his head.
As for the gif Rosbone posted, it seems like something else is going on. 1 frame is not enough to explain about 4m of extra LoS gained in the 2nd clip. There's something else involved.
I mean technically it could have something to do with the spectator mode, since spectating the game is not 100% real time. But yes, that would be cutting a lot of slack and I hope AE does/did the right tests.
A_E is dropping a video tomorrow that disproves the delay theory and differences in fog of war.
Thanks for the info, looking forward to seeing it.
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It's good that you checked it so accurately, but if what Rosbone said is true we cannot fully trust the FOV. There seem to be some differences of ~2 meters if I would need to guess.
It is still very quick reaction times by Seaking, but overall many of the short source videos I watched revolve exactly around those couple of meters where we can't tell if Seaking can actually see it or not.
Depending on how the maphack is set up, this would imply that he has to remember the exact FOV of each unit to convincingly fake "true" gameplay. At least for these type of videos, not saying there aren't other shady ones. |