Profile of Hannibal

Yap dont forget allies also have strong AT rockets strafe. and brumbar has to hit larger infantry squad.

Therefore the concentration on brumbar fast decrewing ATG is misguided. Imo it is as fast decrewing as centuar, kv8, comet, even shermans.

my brumbar is used more to clear allies dig in mg or sandbag infantry. or to protect my paks as they fight against 60TD or simply a deterrance against allies infantry blob play.

ATG is 2nd secondary for brumbar, only when i see allies ATG are too far unprotected then i try to move in.


Also im sure manual firing brumbar on the move, will cause the shot to under/over hit most of the time

A doctrinal ability should not dictate the balance of a stock unit. If that were the case, we could nerf the Brummbar to the ground because Ostheer already has frag bombs to deal with infantry blobs.

But back to the point: I don't have any tests or data, but I am fairly certain that only a KV2 can reliably deal with an ATG. A Comet won't wipe the ATG from range 20-40 without getting hit hard himself. The phosphorus can deal some damage, that is true though. A Brummbar can do it though. Usually two shots are sufficient. The main point however was that you cannot reliably counter the Brummbar with anything else than a TD. Mediums are unreliable, ATGs will heavily bleed you or get wiped and bazookas are probably the worst thing to get in this case.

Moving will increase the horizontal scatter from 2,5 to 5, which allows for misses but is still a lot better than any other tank even while standing. Angular scatter goes up from 6-12 which is about average compared to other vehicles. Angular scatter takes less effect though on smaller ranges, and the Brummbar excels if it can get close. What makes it miss is rather the Brummbar targeting a model at the edge plus the travel time.

Yes that is my point , there is number of user complaining that Brumbar is difficult to deal when it used defensively (covering VPS) and speed nerf would have limited impact.

That is why I have suggested a change in AOE/projectile speed that would effect the unit both in offense and defense.

Fair enough. My misunderstanding then.

And that is why I said that lowering its mobility would be a ill-advised change. It will further restrict the unit in being used defensively covering vps.

Imo acceleration matter more in this case. One can see that with Churchill that although slow it abnormally high acceleration (and good rotation) allows it to get in out of fight.

Lowering the speed would allow it to still do its job while requiring to pick the fights better. Speed is not as important during defense like during offense. A speed nerf would rather go towards the offense I think.

Overall I am not sure if the Brum needs changes. The balance changes two patches ago already put it into an okay spot. The main issue I see is that if you go for a medium as Allies and your opponent goes Brummbar, you're pretty much screwed. Especially as T1 Soviets.
Maybe it needs a very slightly increased fuel cost or so, but that's probably it.

Top speed is only one factor of a unit mobility even more so in the case of Case mates.
With out rotation and acceleration top speed does not say much.

Well since its job is to dive in frontally, shoot and drive backwards in the same way, speed matters quite a bit. Acceleration is in line with other tanks as well.

Stug-E/G both have superior rotation, mostly long range TD have worse rotation and they do not have to navigate the field to get in firing range. Another reason for it is possibly to make these TD more susceptible to flanks.

Generally speaking Brumbar does feel rather clunky to maneuver. It mobility I would say is inline with dozer 105 that even comes with turret.

The Dozer has some other stats that are quite different, mostly armor and HP (plus some vet later on). The Brummbar also has higher speed and acceleration for less rotation rate.

Regardless of the Dozer, all I was saying is that the Brummbar really has decent mobility for a heavy vehicle. Especially since it gets better with vet.

yes but as you said no turret, and also slow manual aim time and reload and 35 range,

it needs to move in and out faster than ATG and 60TD with twice its range.

and i believe brumbar needs to be stationary for its rounds to land near where you click

But that is good. Brummbar is exceptionally strong frontally while weak for flanking. That is good design. Of course it has weaknesses, but it is also the almost only unit that can stand in front of an ATG (its supposed counter) and wipe the floor with it.
My point was that for casemats, the Brummbar has decent rotation and in general it has decent mobility for a heavy unit.
The Brummbar needs to be stationary to fire while manually targeting. It can fire on the move like any other unit. I don't know the multiplier by heart, but it has such a low base scatter that moving the unit should not do much.