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Thread: Some thoughts on OKW and their issues.29 Mar 2021, 11:21 AM Jump back to quoted post29 Mar 2021, 11:04 AMOrangePest 1- The tech timings is more or less related to p4 timing, the light vehicles (puma execpted) aren't very good, and making luchs come a bit later at the cost of being able to choose between a stronger early LV game (with luchs having increased cost+ performance) or an earlier medium is far more interesting than the binary of either going puma,luchs or puma but ultimatetly regardaless of having picked between either choice your medium/heavy (ie p4 or cmd panther) will still arrive extremely late. I have nowhere indicated that obers need to be nerfed. Rather that volks need to be buffed because obers while decent enough, require a lot of investments to be worthwhile and having more than 1 is more of a detriment than a boon in my experience. Edit: The soviet change was also an extreme buff, having t70 come out at 7 minutes consistently while retaining a very large part of its firepower makes its an auto pick no matter what and combined with certain doctrines (guards or svt cons) becomes oppressive as all hell. 1- T3 tech timings for OKW are not off by far as well. Iirc, OKW T2 builds need to gain ~10 fuel more than USF and Soviets (UKF is cheaper depending on the side techs chosen) to tech to the "tank tier". T1 builds even out. Therefore, the P4J comes 1-1,5 minutes later than other tanks because it costs 30 fuel more. But as you said it is the best tank, so that should be fine I guess? Unless your point is about its timing, but I don't think this should be sped up without nerfing the unit. 2- My bad, I scrolled to the wrong post while writing this part and was reading Stormjagers suggestion of tying Obers to T3. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Ostheer Commander Revamp 202129 Mar 2021, 11:09 AM Jump back to quoted post29 Mar 2021, 09:56 AMKatitof The usual. Cost of upgrade divided by amount of units that will likely benefit from it. In USF case, 6 would be a good number. You still keep perpetuating this as if it was the only way to do and as if there were no arguments against it. So I'll just keep pointing out that most Allied side techs are meant to delay the main tech, so the costs are also there to delay the main tech. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Brummbar performance29 Mar 2021, 11:03 AM Jump back to quoted post29 Mar 2021, 09:18 AMVipper Don't think that making a low mobility vehicle with one of the shortest range even slower is good idea. And many people complain about it ability to defend (and not attack) where mobility is less important(although it a SturmPanzer and designed to help in attacks). Imo what has to change it offensive properties, increase projectile speed reduce AOE and go from there. The Brummbar has decent speed, especially if you consider that it still is a good HP/high armor unit. Only it's rotation is lacking but for turretless vehicles still one of the best. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Some thoughts on OKW and their issues.29 Mar 2021, 10:46 AM I probably will post more later about your other points, but one quick question regarding the teching: Why should OKW need quicker timings? They get their LV out at about ~120 fuel gain depending on tech choice. Soviets at ~140 (without AT nade), USF at ~110 (with ambo), UKF at ~120 as well (with bolster). OKW also can generate a lot of map control/fuel advantage through aggressiveness in the early game. T2 has not been changes for ages and it was the meta choice beforehand, and only Soviets have recently seen a slight rebalance to their T3 timing and units. But those I would not call a buff. I don't see how all of this indicates that OKW LVs arrive too late. Some further explanation would be good. Second, just came to my mind: If you say OKW had problems in their infantry department (Volks too weak), why do you want to nerf Obersoldaten? They are an important supplement for OKW to trade well in the late game. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: USF Airborne Commander Revamp28 Mar 2021, 15:18 PM But then either price of P47 should go down to 200 or the OST ability to 240 In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Map hack epidemic26 Mar 2021, 19:54 PM Jump back to quoted post26 Mar 2021, 19:39 PMadamírcz If anyone is interested, you can download it from link in comments right here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ Its for free and no registration Since this is for information purposes, I'll let this link through In: COH2 Bugs
Thread: The role Population 26 Mar 2021, 17:32 PM Jump back to quoted post26 Mar 2021, 16:27 PMVipper A Tank can be counter by cheaper, with less pop tank hunter. The Tank hunter is not actually a "stronger" unit than the tank. It simply its hard counter. The TD has no AI option. If both tank and TD have the same AT, the normal tank is more powerfull overall and the TD should have a lower cost (resources and pop, all assuming same survivability). If the TD provides stronger AT, it's price increases. That's how Allied TDs end up at their current cost, because they provide an extremely strong AT capability. The common denominator is the power of the unit, not the role. We also don't see strong correlation between the role and population in game that could not be explained by 'power' (I'll just keep this as an abstract thing since most of it is derived from how well a unit performs in the game). In: Lobby
Thread: The role Population 26 Mar 2021, 15:25 PM Jump back to quoted post26 Mar 2021, 14:42 PMVipper That imo is because SU-76/Stug main role is counter mediums tanks with a Pop of 10-14, M36/FF/SU-85 are meant to counter Heavy/Super heavy with a pop of above 20. This is your personal ideal. Jackson and SU85 are the primary choice for all targets, and UKF has no "light TD" so you buy the FF to kill mediums as well. Jump back to quoted post26 Mar 2021, 14:42 PMVipper Mainly because it is vehicle costing fuel and not infatry. Cost has so far not been a point to influence population. This was a response to your claim that counters are always cheaper than what they counter, which is not true. Jump back to quoted post26 Mar 2021, 14:42 PMVipper I am not sure how you compare strength between main lines and support weapons but if one uses cost as an indicator, HM-42 is 260 6 pop and grenadier is 240 7 pop. Again this relates to both the "counter is cheaper" claim as well as the claim that the role influences the population. We see units of completely different roles costing the same population. Therefore the role is no predictor for population cost. Jump back to quoted post26 Mar 2021, 14:42 PMVipper And one has to keep in mind that many units have seen changes in cost and power and pop was not always adjusted. Not sure why you quote that as a counter to my point. The note says that population has been adjusted to the power level as well as to create a higher cost for spamming Grens because you can't fit as many other units into the build anymore. Which is exactly what I originally postulated. Units can be balanced by both cost and power adjustments. Both have been extensively used in the past. High impact units get high population, low impact units get low pop. Jump back to quoted post26 Mar 2021, 14:42 PMVipper As one can see Tiger was artificially "over populated" to reduce the power of building more than one. In sort population role is imo a little more complicated. Tiger has previously been high pop because the meta was to get two which created a huge power spike. The attempt was to counter that by high pop cost. Heavies got limited to one, power spike was lowered, population adjusted accordingly. Exactly what I initially claimed. I have no idea where you are going with this thread. What I initially debated was your claim that the role of a unit influences the population cost, nothing else. Please refer to only this point then. In: Lobby
Thread: Soviet Commander Revamp 202126 Mar 2021, 14:20 PM Jump back to quoted post26 Mar 2021, 14:15 PMTickTack Who the F except hannibal and vipper and a couple other wehraboos thinks the KV1 is too strong? Show of hands please xD You'd be surprised if you read even only a couple of posts. In: Lobby
Thread: The role Population 26 Mar 2021, 14:20 PM Jump back to quoted post26 Mar 2021, 14:10 PMVipper For instance a TD has lower pop than tank although its gun is superior in AT than tanks. The only units where this is true is the SU76, the StuG and that's probably it? All others have higher POP than even a medium tank. Brummbar has higher population than any infantry unit. Main lines have roughly the same population as team weapons. All this does not fit into balancing POP towards role, only towards the strength of the unit. Jump back to quoted post26 Mar 2021, 14:10 PMVipper Or certain artillery unit has high pop so that they will not get spammed and abused. Some goes for emplacements. Which means that the unit is strong (high power level), so it needs high POP. Jump back to quoted post26 Mar 2021, 14:10 PMVipper In sort imo pop can be used for a number of reason including balancing unit and preventing spamming. That imo was the case with Churchill who although not extremely powerful become an issue once produced in numbers. Thus is got one of the highest pop for stock units although not reflect in its price/power. (Actually it could see a small reduction in pop 1-2). High power level in groups of two still means high power. That's why the pop is high. To make spamming harder and create holes in your line up. That's also why heavies got limited to one, because two of them were gg and the only way to prevent this is to put a hefty POP price on them. In: Lobby