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Jump back to quoted post29 Sep 2020, 16:36 PMProtos Angelus

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Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2020, 15:54 PMelchino7

I disagree. I think putting timestamps will make it more clear as to what people might consider early/mid game stages.

0: Opening with anything other than Conscripts is slow. T2 is not realistically and T1 goes high risk mid reward with clowncar. Only viable against OKW.

3.30: 60 muni upgrades hit around this mark same with 1 CP.

4.30/5.00: 2nd set of 60 muni and 2 CP. With the usual 3 Con + 2 CE or 4 Con build here the main weakness are remarked.

At this point you juggle between getting AT grenades, molotovs (noob trap), medics, T2 and what unit do you want as 5th.
Depending on bleed, it's most likely gonna be an AT gun cause the FHT or Flak HT is hitting at 6 mins. +1 min the P2.

Same with muni expenditure. You can't have everything. U need some spare muni for AT nade. Sparingly or don't use oorah. If you go for SVT you won't have mines unless you decide to skip flamer or viceversa. Things get worst if you get Guards or went T1 Penals for PTRS.

From this point onward is all about surviving playing defensively with 25% to 40% of map control which means less resources. Soviets play expecting an Axis mistakes leading to wipes (generally MG) or destruction of light vehicles which will give them room to tech T3 for a T70 at around 9 min or more. Alternative they bunker down even more, get way more units with 2x AT gun till they manage to set up T4.

So the mid game is not necessarily weak by the units/tech but due to how they generally enter it.

Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2020, 14:37 PMgbem

i already said it... the moment volks/grens get weapon upgrades conscripts are gonna be fighting tooth and nail to survive... unupgraded conscripts cannot compete against LMG grenadiers or STG volks and the icing on the cake is that your MG is outright worse than both OKW and OST MGs....

and before you say flamer imma say now that ost gets a flamer aswell while OKW has the infantry to wreck conscripts with ease

Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2020, 13:21 PMgbem

all of those are doctrinal except flamers and mines... and even minespam wont save you tbh

Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2020, 13:25 PMT.R. Stormjäger

Flamer blobbing is true, mine spam is dependent on muni control and suffering early in map control can demolish mine spam, dshkas have the worst deathloop in the game by far and a very narrow arc, guards are good, shocks are map dependent, T70 is amazing but comes out 8-11mins depending on fuel income, SVT shocks means no mines whatsoever cuz you have to keep dropping SVTs and a Dshka after your flamer but I agree it's a good upgrade despite the drawbacks.

Soviets have a lot of good stuff but the Ostheer powerspikes are much better and OKW can easily win if you play the straight up before the T70 shows up. It's always a guerilla war against both factions early until you can actually come out ahead.

Which is why I find the entire thread hilarious, Soviets are far from OP and quite nonexistent in the 1v1 meta due to their matchup vs Osttruppen.