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Thread: Soviet Core changes commander Revamp Patch16 May 2019, 16:43 PM Jump back to quoted post16 May 2019, 14:59 PMSerrith Hmmm maybe we could replace the 7 man upgrade with this upgrade instead: Increase upgraded conscript damage output by 17% Increase upgraded conscript durability by 17% Decrease upgraded conscript reinforce cost by 15% Keep the cover bonus which would stack with the dps increase Keep the xp modifier as well Sure any one of these buffs alone isnt great but combine them all and that's pretty potent. Kappa the exact same as we have now without the buff for merge @crecer13 you need to keep in mind that the soviet have a number of infantry options and conscripts are not intended to replace any of them but instead work along side them. if you want DP28 lmgs, there is a squad for that. if you want SVTs there is a squad for that too. if you turn cons into any one of those things you make the others pointless. like wtf would be the point in penals if cons had non doc SVTs? who is going to dump 160mp into teching t1 and another 300(!!!!!!!!!!!) mp into penals if you get a reasonable facsimile in svt cons for a much lower price? and the DP28, that horrible idea.... great, now you have less cost efficient ostroppen... good change. you solved the issue. wooot. much fresh, such buff. the 7th man reinforces cons role without stepping on other soviet squads toes. they are meant to hold the line and keep other units fighting, the 7th man accomplishes both of those tasks and also allows replacing squads to be less painful via increased vet rate and reduced reinforcement cost. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Soviet Core changes commander Revamp Patch16 May 2019, 14:31 PM Jump back to quoted post16 May 2019, 13:55 PMCrecer13 Great, one rifle. it is not even close to one DP-27 worst machine gun in the game. And lose a real chance of improvement by taking abandoned MG-42/34. 1 rifle, and 80 more health AND an extra target that enemy fire will disperse damage across (they dont just pick 1 model and shoot it till dead) just because you dont have it in you to see value in something other than straight dps buffs (which this ALSO provides when in cover, wher cons have always been designed to fight from) doesnt mean its useless. the upgraded cons will hit harder, last longer and vet faster all very good traits for the role thy are supposed to fill. the 7th man allows them to more effectively merge and keep units on field as well. they are not intended to be obersoldaten but field presence. they outlast every other squad in the game and can keep fighting men like penals and guards in top fighting condition too. their new late game performance doesnt leave anything to be desired and maintains the unit identity. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Soviet Core changes commander Revamp Patch16 May 2019, 13:03 PM Jump back to quoted post16 May 2019, 12:09 PMFelinewolfie - I don't see the point of cons being buffed late game as no one ever makes cons late-game. It's like buffing kubelwagen around cp 30. What's the point? This change will actually make cons more attractive late game and increase the odds of them being built. It would be more like making the Kuble move while camod and cap territory even faster. However the issue with cons now is that between the first weapon upgrades hit the field and t4 they are mostly dead weight. Some sort of mid game bump that makes them slightly smoother transitioning would be enough I think In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Tie Call-Ins to tech this patch15 May 2019, 21:31 PM Jump back to quoted post15 May 2019, 19:23 PMinsaneHoshi Another option could be to put the JP4 in HQ truck and unlock it after two trucks. People would probably complain about the jp4 coming out too early if in the Med HQ truck. It would also fit thematically 1 Truck: MG34 2 Truck: Jp4 3 Truck: KT it COULD come early, but why would it? 135 fuel for an AT only unit would be a bit overkill. you could field a schwere at that cost or a mech and puma i do like your suggestion, however it would leave schwere a unit short and feel underwhelming as well as stacking the Hq although its reminiscentof an okw overhaul idea i had a ways back where each truck called in and built added something to the faction. the JP4 was unlocked in mech once a 2nd truck was placed beit schwere or med. allowing for a low feul fight still allowing for a counter to TDs and medium spam but also remaining availible as a defensive unit if the schwere was lost here is the link if you are interested Jump back to quoted post15 May 2019, 19:41 PMSkysTheLimit I wish this wasn't a factor at all. Cant we just separate the gun from a the tech building, and make it a unit that requires pop? If a player needs it's defensive abilities so badly, they can choose to have it impact their army size, or just live without it. Instead it's in this stupid place where it doesn't impact your army size at all, but if you lose it you need to rebuild it if you want tanks. And this issue only feeds into the cmd panther meta i do actually like the idea of the schwere. i like the risk/reward blend in the okw design, my main gripe with it lies in how it impacts the timing of some units like obers (whos timing has volks doing most of the grunt work and lead to them buffed to be contenders against rifles) i do agree though that something so impactful should have more impact on the army. in team games getting that schwere out asap for the saftey zone rather than tanks is silly. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Tie Call-Ins to tech this patch15 May 2019, 13:12 PM Jump back to quoted post15 May 2019, 12:56 PMKatitof Makes one wonder why it was not a problem when soviets were 100% reliant on 34/85 call-in in the past.... Anyway, its OKW over-reliance on command panther that's issue here as its their only frequent end game call-in, which makes be believe the problem is with CP itself. One could argue its because T4 gets destroyed, but then again, you don't need to put it forward. Swapping the JP4 and the UHU imo would be a good way to take the weak AT pressure away from losing schwere. Then all 3 trucks have an AT platform. Med being more passive, mech being cheaper but more micro intensive and schwere being the most robust and reliable. At that point there is no reason at all for the CP to be a call in. Losing your schwere then you might find it a better choice to get the cheaper med/mech needed to unlock the KT and it then actually warrants being exclusive with the CP. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Tie Call-Ins to tech this patch15 May 2019, 12:28 PM Jump back to quoted post15 May 2019, 11:33 AMKatitof And apparently it'll be fixed or at least addressed in patch after this one. Nope. I was informed we can't touch it cause okw might struggle if they tie call ins to tech. Same reason the maxim will never be worth a damn. Can't have okw struggling against anything now can we? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: What if OKW had standard starting resources?15 May 2019, 12:26 PM Jump back to quoted post15 May 2019, 06:17 AMFelixTHM I go non-Penal builds against Ost, but I simply can't vs OKW. Without M3 cheese you simply can't punch hard enough. It'd be interesting to see how the SOV-OKW matchup plays out if OKW early-game is weakened. If they are teching 15 fuel faster they wouldn't be weakened much. You would have less time to prepare for the luchs and volks are still cheaper than any figthinh unit you can field. What's more Soviet have 160mp to dump into getting a fighting unit. Getting your first maxim on the field in only 100mp less than 2 volks and your opening units (CE and cons?) will still be getting fisted by sturms unless RNG wills CE to be more than manpower bleed. The only way to meaningfully reduce okws starting impact would be to swap the starting unit with volks. Then okw can still field a strong shock unit (could even be buffed), quick territory or pad their masses. Their start would be second only to the brits as now, but their flexibility would remain unmatched. Powerful start would still be available, but not handed out. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: What if OKW had standard starting resources?14 May 2019, 21:56 PM Jump back to quoted post14 May 2019, 19:34 PMSander93 And the other factions negate that "advantage" by having a fuel cache up for 5 minutes or more. other factions can buy caches, yes. other factions, at the cost of field presence can increase their trickle of resources. at the cost of manpower, the resource used for everything. OKW can respond with an entire volks squad. the caches are not free (they are a great thing to have, dont get me wrong) but they dont simply generate resources for free like salvage can. the thing i responded to was saying that okw starts -15 fuel behind the ball and can never make that up, but they can and it costs them nothing but a few seconds of their time and the chance to get that 15 fuel and more (again at no cost nor impact to build orders) comes up organically and only increase as the game progresses. the maxim that cant be buffed for fear of a non penal build being viable can easily turn into a fuel advantage for the OKW (god knows they arent worth recrewing) or AT guns when your army composition doesnt need it. cahces are certainly more consistent (and that right is paid for) but salvage allows for more "bonus" resources and is free. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: What if OKW had standard starting resources?14 May 2019, 18:52 PM Jump back to quoted post14 May 2019, 18:09 PMStug life well they don't gain it back later, they tech is not cheaper than other faction, so they will always have a -15 fu from others Unless they come across 3 vehicle or weapon wrecks across the duration of the game. But nobody uses vehicles or team weapons anyways so I guess you are right. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: What if OKW had standard starting resources?13 May 2019, 12:41 PM Jump back to quoted post13 May 2019, 03:01 AMLago Up the fuel, drop the manpower is the idea. I understand the idea but saying "rushing the light tank timing is now comparable" and ignoring that that means skipping all sorts of stuff for one faction and not for the other doesn't really make it comparable. Rushing a luchs doesn't sacrifice anything. It's hardly even considered rushing, just "getting" becuae you are going to get it asap no matter what. There is no "rush" there is no "quick luchs" just normal timing luchs. To get a "fast Stuart" you need to weigh the risks of not getting many things. In: COH2 Balance