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Thread: Wehr weak penetration15 Oct 2019, 22:04 PM Jump back to quoted post15 Oct 2019, 19:01 PMHannibal ... OST P4 has ~70% pen chance against Sherman/Cromwell at range 20, it's 65% the other way around. The bigger the range, the better the P4s perform, at lower ranges P4 and Sherman/Cromwell become pretty much similar (all calculated with "my" penetration stats of Sherman). ... Now try to do similar calculations at rear/side armor and you will that PzIV loses any advantage that does not require to flank the enemy vehicle since rear hit can occur when moving parallel. But that is not the problem. Jump back to quoted post15 Oct 2019, 19:01 PMHannibal ... We should compare pen chances against a certain target, for example against other stock mediums. ... The problem is not PzIV performance vs other mediums but the fact the allies have little reason to built mediums in the first place. To make thing even worse most of the allied TDs have chance near 100% to hit and penetrate the PzIV at range 60, completely shutting it down. Finally the PzIV is nearly obsolete once allied premium, heavies and super heavier appear. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Wehr weak penetration15 Oct 2019, 21:16 PM Jump back to quoted post15 Oct 2019, 19:01 PMHannibal My Sherman pen goes 140/120/100. ... Thanks for correction, not sure how it happened since I copied the values. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Wehr weak penetration15 Oct 2019, 18:44 PM Jump back to quoted post15 Oct 2019, 17:57 PMSupport Sapper Yet the Panther is superior to all allies medium and premium medium, include Pershing. What else can you ask from it ? Superior so it own counter ? ... Panther is simply not superior to Pershing that has an AT/AI gun... One might argue that it is more cost efficient than Pershing (which I doubt) but in that cases it not more cost efficient that allied premiums. Actually one of the most cost efficient premium mediums is probably the T-34/85 Jump back to quoted post15 Oct 2019, 18:34 PMthedarkarmadillo ..p4 has more pen than other mediums. . That is rather inaccurate: PzIV Penetration near 125 Penetration mid 115 Penetration far 110 Sherman Penetration near 140 Penetration mid 130 Penetration far 100 Cromwell Penetration near 135 Penetration mid 120 Penetration far 105 T-34/76 Penetration near 120 Penetration mid 100 Penetration far 80 (Things get even worse when it comes to penetration if one compares PzIV H to allied premiums.) I most cases allied mediums have better penetration. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Sherman firefly tweak15 Oct 2019, 16:42 PM Jump back to quoted post15 Oct 2019, 16:02 PMrqd You think firefly is fine then? Without tulips firefly imo is worse than cheaper su-85 in terms of dps, speed and acceleraion. And SU-85 is an extremely cost efficient unit having one of the best guns in game. Try to compare it with JP4 and you will see another picture. On top of that FF gets: Commander for extra vision+accuracy One of longest MID ranges having less drop off in penetration and accuracy Access to "warspeed" and Hammer tracking A turret A coaxial Less tech cost Superior damage (even more via veterancy) Tullips, there is very little reason for one not to get Tullips, since there no disadvantage in taking the upgrade. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Sherman firefly tweak15 Oct 2019, 15:52 PM Lasting thing this game needs is more buffs to the allied TDs. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Can You Please Fix Churchill Crocs Rear Armor ?15 Oct 2019, 14:28 PM Jump back to quoted post15 Oct 2019, 13:53 PMKatitof Its completely irrelevant for the argument, still needs a regular shot before it gets engine damage, still needs the same amount of ATG/tank/TD shots to kill and its still only 1 more shot to kill it, infantry AT also doesn't make a difference, unless you're bringing in only a single weapon. When are going to stop trying to spin things around and simply accept that you have made a mistake? Your claim: "That "very high health pool" is exact same health pool as any other heavy tank and 80 health more then panther." Is simply wrong accept it and move on. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Super heavy tanks changes.15 Oct 2019, 12:52 PM My suggestion would be that all Super heavies stop being call-in units and become build able from HQ with a long built, time 1-2 minutes. The Change will delay they appearance and will make losing them more punishing. In: Lobby
Thread: Can You Please Fix Churchill Crocs Rear Armor ?15 Oct 2019, 12:40 PM Jump back to quoted post15 Oct 2019, 12:34 PMKatitof ... That "very high health pool" is exact same health pool as any other heavy tank and 80 health more then panther. You confused it with regular churchill. ... Panther has 960 HP and Croc 1080 so your math are wrong. It has 120 more HP than Panther and not 80. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Can You Please Fix Churchill Crocs Rear Armor ?15 Oct 2019, 12:34 PM Jump back to quoted post15 Oct 2019, 12:05 PMSupport Sapper But after all, its top speed is very low while the design of the the tank required it to taking shoot and fight in close range to be effective (damage spong, main gun with low far pen and grenade ability). This often lead to situation that the tank get surrounded and attacked from multi direction, so it has more acceleration and rotation to be able to manage it way out of danger. Bottom line is that the unit has high mobility contrary to the the claim that "mobility is shit". in its current implementation flanking with PzIV is not rewarding since they unit has the same rear/side armor as PzIV front/side armor, more than double the HP (stock Chuchill) and more acceleration. In addition attempting such a maneuver exposes the PzIV rear/side that is half that of Churchill. On top of all that the stock Churchill comes with stock vet 0 smoke while croc has access to "war speed" or heavy sappers and smoke shells. As many other units, it base stat should be lowered and its vet bonuses should be redesigned to help it in its role. The unit should have less shock value and scale better with veterancy. Finally the unit requires to have a weakness either in ATG or Vehicles. One could also try reverting the main gun change since the unit comes earlier: Churchill Crocodile The Crocodile has been adjusted to have its gun match other tanks. Smoke has also been added to allow the Crocodile to provide combat support. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Can You Please Fix Churchill Crocs Rear Armor ?15 Oct 2019, 11:06 AM Jump back to quoted post14 Oct 2019, 21:30 PMBlueKnight To reward player for flanking the slowest tank in the game with the fastest tanks is like giving a medal in karate competition to a 20yo that defeated a 9yo. Churchill mobility is shit, that's why I believe it was given extra survivability. There is no other tank that is this slow and neutered as churchill. It's main role is not to die and deal some damage. Flanking a fast tank like panther is rewarded with almost certain penetration because it's significantly more difficult to succeed in flanking a panther than it is to succeed in flanking the churchill. Croc is worse than Tiger, Pershing, IS2, just leave it alone. Check the acceleration and rotation speed of Churchill it is actually very high. In: COH2 Balance