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Thread: Wehr weak penetration18 Oct 2019, 12:56 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2019, 12:50 PMgbem exactly... but when the dynamic is in equilibrium that 5% difference means upsetting the balance unless you are in favor of the concept of "the panther is somehow too easily countered" your suggestion to nerf allied TDs would have been countermanded with an equivalent panther nerf aswell... Nice theory (although not supported). We can debate again and again but it will be quite pointless. If you want I can simply make you a mod where the SU-85/JP and FF have the same accuracy as M36 at max range and you can test to see if the Panther suddenly becomes OP. I can even lower their ROF a bit at max range so you want test that also. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Wehr weak penetration18 Oct 2019, 12:51 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2019, 12:45 PMgbem ... No I am not in mood for mental gymnastic. I have made a suggestion and supported with fact. Have little to add and people have better thing to do then reading you trying to prove me wrong. You are entitled to disagree with me. Bye bye. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Wehr weak penetration18 Oct 2019, 12:46 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2019, 12:38 PMLago I see nothing wrong in principle with a tank destroyer having a 100% chance to hit and penetrate another vehicle. I see no value in adding a 5% chance to bounce just for the sake of it not being zero. Than I have to guess that you do not appreciate the impact the difference between 100% and 95% when it comes to multiple requirements. 100% means that 2 JP4 will delete a Sherman in 5 secs and in 3.5 at vet 4. The same 2 JP4 with 95% would only have 81% chance of doing so. I also find weird that complain about penetration and actually hitting the target or why you are asking for more accuracy for ISU/ELE/JT that will penetrate most targets but will not hit them. The game is RNG based and there is little reason to completely remove the RNG factor from a class of units. People who do not like RNG can play AOE. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Wehr weak penetration18 Oct 2019, 12:32 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2019, 12:00 PMLago By a dedicated tank destroyer. That armour makes those heavy vehicles all but immune to medium tanks, forcing the opponent to invest a lot of resources in a tank destroyer or a Panther that'll make little or no contribution to the manpower battle. Armour isn't for bouncing tank destroyers. It's for bouncing everything else. So in you opinion all TDs should have 100% chance to hit and penetrate every target at max range? Because you are complaining about "frustrating low probability bounces", if a unit can bounce a shot even will low probability that is it working as intended and I do not see why you are complaining. The only other option is to completely remove the RNG factor... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Wehr weak penetration18 Oct 2019, 12:30 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2019, 11:57 AMgbem ... for starters winrates are pretty close for allied and axis factions with OST being the exception... my assumption Can you pls provide a link to these winrates and the analysis that comes to that conclusion since the last ptach? Because allot of user seem complain that acutal UKF are UP. Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2019, 11:57 AMgbem ... lastly @vipper you seem to have the issue of claiming that the opposing argument is unsubstatiated... but fail to put substance in your own claims aswell... If you want to debate any "issues" that in your opinion I might have I suggest you do it in PM and not in a balance thread. I have supported my arguments with stats, M36 has significant lower chance to hit a Panther at max range and it hardly bad at countering it, it actually one of the best TDs. That is a strong indication that lowering the accuracy of the SU-85 or the FF will have little impact on balance. The scenario you describe that making su-85 have the same far accuracy as the m36 would result with Panther and KT running supreme is not support by anything. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Wehr weak penetration18 Oct 2019, 11:49 AM Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2019, 11:42 AMKatitof ... Are you willing to apply the same logic to panthers, making them considerably less effective at 40+ ranges, so it actually will brawl as its meant to instead of snipe meds and heavies? I don't have to Panther is already less effective Chance of Panther scoring a hit at range 50: Cromwell 70% T-34/76 77% Sherman 80.5% Panther hardy snipes it is the allied TDs that sniper from +10 range. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Wehr weak penetration18 Oct 2019, 11:42 AM Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2019, 11:31 AMgbem allied heavy TDs are the main counterbalance to the KT and panther... nerfing them without the latter will upset balance No that is your assumption without anything to back it up. I have made suggestion that will have little impact on balance and other people may come up with better ideas. Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2019, 11:31 AMgbem besides why is it youre opposed to an axis nerf but in support of an allied nerf? That is another assumption, I clearly wrote all long range TD and that includes the axis one also. Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2019, 11:31 AMgbem the factions have been at their most balanced state in years and reeintroducing the trend of OKW overkill is hardly my definition of fun... Balance and diversity are different issue, they claim that "factions have been at their most balanced state" is rather arbitrary unless supported by stats and the idea that my suggestion will upset balance is a speculation. For instance if SU-85 man range chance to hit a Panther at range because the same at the M36 it will hardly have a big impact unless you want to claim that M36 is UP vs Panther. Or if FF chance to hit a panther drop below 100% that would hardly make FF UP. Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2019, 11:31 AMgbem as i said your attention is misdirected... the lategame is definitely NOT a problem... there is no lategame issue thus far with balance and it is most perfectly ok past the point when each faction gets a medium... the real issue with axis is the midgame where they absolutely get swamped by the T-70/stuart/AEC without an analogue of their own... The fact that according to you there is problem in mid game does not make high chance to hit a non problem. They are actually separate issues. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Wehr weak penetration18 Oct 2019, 11:32 AM Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2019, 11:12 AMKatitof What diversity? Allies have nothing else to contest panthers. There is no diversity here, because there isn't meant to be any. ATGs are unreliably to both damage and kill panthers and can't exactly chase even for a little, so something needs to pick up the slack. So what diversity you're talking about? Getting SU-76 or regular shermans against panthers instead? With statements like this that, that are completely false the debate can progress. In addition the suggestion is not to make allied TDs useless vs Panther, it is to reduce their performance in the range that they out-range their targets. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Wehr weak penetration18 Oct 2019, 11:29 AM Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2019, 10:51 AMgbem Sure but only if we gut the panther's health hp speed or dps aswell... We would also need to make the KT doctrinal aswell... dont want it to become an i win button It also risks absolutely breaking the current meta with a new experimental one... but its worth a shot... Actually no, the lowering performance of all TD at range 60 will hardly make KT or Panther OP. You are simply exaggerating most fight do not even take place at range 60. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Wehr weak penetration18 Oct 2019, 11:27 AM Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2019, 10:59 AMLago I don't agree with that. It'd just be adding more frustrating low probability bounces and making heavy armour even stronger. Your switchable rounds concept is a much better idea for weakening tank destroyers against medium armour. I do not not what a "frustrating low probability bounces" is armor is there to protect the unit no matter the probability else lest scrap the mechanism. Armor can then reduce damage instead... Actually what I personally find frustrating is having to pay top dollar for getting armor on vehicle and having to vet it to get even more, only to be penetrated with 100% chance even at max range. Lowering accuracy and ROF at max range does not make shot bounce. It makes shot miss and giving the units with sorter range a chance to fire back without having to spend the rest of the game repairing. Heavy armor generally has bigger target (or should change to have) so the change will have minimum impact on heavy armor. And in my opinion heavy armor need to be delayed. The idea is that heavy armor get hit but has a chance to bounce the shot lower armor vehicle will be penetrated but have a chance to avoid being hit. Glad to see that you like the different ammo suggestion. In: COH2 Balance