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Thread: Why Soviets are OP19 Oct 2020, 08:22 AM Jump back to quoted post19 Oct 2020, 05:49 AMgbem i was recommending an upgrade similar to darkarmadillo`s suggestion of invest X amount of fuel and MP to add much needed survivability and a bit of DPS to the SU-85 in a similar sense to the sherman dozer.... And as I have explained while responding to darkarmdilo the Sherman dozer upgrade is badly designed and should be removed. I you want to talk about Su-76 more I suggest this thread: https://www.coh2.org/topic/105625/su-76-a-slight-adjustment Jump back to quoted post19 Oct 2020, 05:49 AMgbem the SU-85 should be a hard counter period... if you think a cheaper all purpose medium tank has any business defeating a more expensive tank destroyer then we can never come to a conclusion... the SU-85 has every right to crush the panzer 4 if they butt heads... It is not a question if it should be a hard counter or not but how easy it counter. Ability to selfspot even beyond max range nearly 100% chance to damage as PzIV at range 60 is bad design that ignores two game mechanism (chance to hit and chance to penetrate). To put in plain English if the SU-85 on top of that did 640 to PzIV it would "crush the panzer 4" "as it has every right" but I think we can both agree that it would bad for the game. As long as the SU-85 is better vs every target than SU-76 and as long as the zis has a close enough barrage there will be little reason to build SU-76. Jump back to quoted post19 Oct 2020, 05:49 AMgbem thats not how it works though... 1. the P4 can be used at sections of the map where the SU-85 isnt... even if the SU-85 moved at the speed of usain bolt theres no way it can catch the panzer 4 before it does some damage to infantry 2. german infantry can just crush through soviet infantry anyways and the SU-85 is forced to watch... ofc theres the katyusha but the germans have the equally dangerous panzerwerfer... Think you overestimating effect of the 0.6 difference is speed at vet 0. If that was the case SU-85 would completely own the PZIv once vetted Jump back to quoted post19 Oct 2020, 05:49 AMgbem it wasnt nerfed in that patch... it was nerfed a couple of patches ago where its reload rate was increased by 1 second... That was in 2018 and the Stug got the same treatment. In the same patch it got a buff to its barrage. Jump back to quoted post19 Oct 2020, 05:49 AMgbem it is unfair to compare the SU-76 to the puma when the latter has a turret along with built in smoke and a strong vet 1 ability and at least some usefulness against infantry outside of its barrage... Someone else started the comparison and you claimed that it has low DPS I have provided the stat that prove it has superior DPS. Jump back to quoted post19 Oct 2020, 05:49 AMgbem plus it has more close range DPS by nature of being a flanking tank... Are you seriously going to argue that Puma being x130% better at ranges 0-10 gives it an advantage when Su-76 is x213% at range 50? Think I have explained my point of view clearly on this matters and have little to add. Thanks for the debate. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Sander's personal balance changes19 Oct 2020, 07:40 AM M3/M5 Halftrack (all faction variants) "The M3 and M5 halftracks are given more utility with a healing option. M5 quad AA power is being reduced to become more in line with other similar units. All unupgraded halftracks can now drop a single med crate for 15 munitions" Imo this is bad changes that can easily create lots of issues and greatly promote blobbing. I would suggest the following all transport can not pick up and carry med kit and uncrewed support weapons. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Panther time to fire is slow need a vet buff18 Oct 2020, 21:28 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2020, 17:03 PMBetterDead ThanRed didnt know su-76 had 60 range, perhaps its only 60 range for the barrage? nvm, not important. Panther is a TD, a very quick and armoured one, but still a TD. Due to its gun is purely AT oriented, only AI capability is to use the mg's on the panther or run infantry over. barrage has even longer range: 80 at vet 0 89 at vet 3 In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Rifle Company Should have the M191918 Oct 2020, 14:57 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2020, 14:51 PMSkysTheLimit Grens get sprint on 3 commanders that I know of (not counting Tac Movement) Yes they do and it remains a bad idea especially since it comes with camo also. I pointed out during revamp. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Sander's personal balance changes18 Oct 2020, 13:40 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2020, 13:02 PMSander93 V4 changes ... Rocket Artillery Since you are looking into artillery CD check SPAG creeping barrage ability: https://www.coh2.org/topic/106711/creeping-barrage In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Panther time to fire is slow need a vet buff18 Oct 2020, 12:05 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2020, 11:47 AMProtos Angelus No s*** sherlock. Holy mother of God, you do have to be every pan's lid, don't you? Studied German for 12 years, all through primary and secondary and you really go and correct the jaeger part? Take chill pill and I can read just fine. And Assault gun are infatry support vehicles according to German doctrine. This vehicles where used as tank hunters because other German weapon prove inefficient and thus the German doctrine adopted. Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2020, 11:47 AMProtos Angelus FYI, the tank hunter, as you obviously can't read, is for the game alone part in my post. So not taking the real world into account. I am simply point out that in real life and military terminology there little to no difference between tank hunter and and tank destroyers and the term means the same thing. Relic and the game makes no distinction either and both terms means the same thing. If some people want to the terms is different way it is up to them. I personally would put all vehicles with single purpose AT guns in category tank destroyers/tank hunter. And I would personally place unit like the M10 a "flanker" TD subcategory since its performance increase greatly with range. Others might choose a different classification but the important thing is communicate and you seem to have issues in that department. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Rifle Company Should have the M191918 Oct 2020, 11:26 AM Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2020, 11:10 AMT.R. Stormjäger Don't care whatsoever, it's called rifle company, not sprinting company. It's allowed to have non-mobile elements to it. Sprinting and M1919s would work very well together to control space and positioning. I'd be very much in favour of this change. Having a LMG unit that can spring is generally a bad idea since the unit would be able to create distance vs unit mid/close oriented units. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Panther time to fire is slow need a vet buff18 Oct 2020, 11:02 AM Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2020, 10:39 AMProtos Angelus .... Of course, you can have a "in-between" class like tank hunters, but some sources use that term and other don't. E8 and Panther and SU76 would be tank hunters by that definition. Tank hunter (Panzerjäger) was the term used by the German army Tank destroy was term used by USF army In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Why Soviets are OP18 Oct 2020, 08:45 AM Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2020, 01:01 AMgbem not good enough for most people... at least for the SU-76 SU-76 has one of the best barrage in game once vetted for cost able to kill entities with first shot while firing at longer range than other barrages. The unit needs to have effectiveness reduced with timed or it would become spammable again since it is dirty cheap. Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2020, 01:01 AMgbem exactly the point... it should be good against the panzer 4 because its a tank DESTROYER.... complaining about the SU-85 being good against panzer 4s is like complaining that the brummbar is good vs infantry... Point here is that is should not make PzIV obsolete with a probability to damage (hit and penetrate) near 100% at range 60. If Su-85 was designed to counter Super heavy tank that would create space for the SU-76 to PzIV. Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2020, 01:01 AMgbem you misunderstand... the panzer 4 can punish infantry alot more efficiently than a panther can... that plus the fact that its faster than an SU-85 makes it pretty easy to punish a soviet player... especially since the soviets dont have a functioning machinegun outside of doctrines SU-85 is fast enough and has the range to keep the PzIV away. In some it can completely shut it down. Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2020, 01:01 AMgbem HVAP also boosts the damage dealt per shot... And forces a reload and has a munition cost and reduces ROF. In most cases it not worth using. SU-85 simply has superior gun than the M36 and one of the best guns in game. Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2020, 01:01 AMgbem ehh no the SU-76 has pretty low DPS ever since it was nerfed... That is because you mistakenly think that SU-76 was nerfed when last patched: SU-76 firing on PzIV DPS=22.7/20.8/19.0/17.2/16.5/15.8/15.2 Puma firing on Cromwell DPS=29.3/29.3/22.4/16.5/11.4/7.3 Has more than double the DPS at range 60 that Puma has at range 50 while firing at more expensive vehicle. It does not have low DPS for cost. Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2020, 01:01 AMgbem darkarmadillo`s suggestion of an SU-76M upgrade which boosted its HP and DPS was a pretty neat idea... the unit would most definitely scale better into the lategame while maintaining its current midgame power level.... I simply do not agree it will simply become spammable again. One should create room for unit to coexist not buff them overlap them. Imo making SU-85 designed vs Super heavies and SU-76 designed vs mediums is the way to go. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Why Soviets are OP18 Oct 2020, 08:30 AM Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2020, 00:33 AMthedarkarmadillo its not its initial value that is problematic its that it becomes dead weight later on because its made of glass and no, buying another scaling does not make. i posted my suggestion earlier about tech locked scaling, saying its good enough if you just buy another is not fixing the problem. durability is a lot in this game and the su76 has none. you say it shouldnt be soloing an p4 and thats fair, but it cant solo anything except a bunker. a luchs even has the capacity to beat it up due to its lack of turret and extremely low durability, let alone a puma who will literally run circles around it for a similar cost. the su76 doesnt even have a cunts hairs hope of a chance and the barrage doesnt offset that it can be killed by literally anything starting at and exceeding a 222. The Su-76 outranges most vehicles by 20-10 if it takes fire it is in the wrong spot. Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2020, 20:37 PMthedarkarmadillo ... id like to see the t70 toned down a bit and the su76 to get some upgrade or something at t4 to get it over the hump since late game its barrage often isnt enough to warrant its micro or pop cap given its durability. su76M upgrade (i know the model in game already is the su76M but i wont tell if you dont) turns the gun into a zis clone, maybe 80 more health? make it cost fuel and manpower. gives it a bit of scaling it sorely lacks There is problem with such upgrade which apparent with Sherman dozer upgrade. The low cost allows early access and the upgrade makes the unit remain good through the game allowing to spam the unit. In addition I doubt it would an effective change even if it was implemented, with the 7 men upgrade and by moving doctrinal tank to T4 Soviet want to build the T4 as soon as possible and once it is build the SU-85 would remain a better option than SU-76... In: COH2 Balance