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DPS against what also matters.
Churchill struggles against OKW P4 and vet2 ost P4.
It can't go up against anything bigger frontally and I don't need to say that won't be flanking anything with it.
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Churchill struggles against OKW P4 and vet2 ost P4.
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.
I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you
The idea that the Jackson needed ANY nerfing is so laughable. It only serves ONE task, how dare it be good at that. If it were a good against infantry like the Panther, King Tiger, Panzer IV, Jagtiger, Elefant, I could see how it might be a problem and need a nerf but it's not
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.
I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you
I don't play this version of EZ mode very often because it's so boringly simple. But it is funny to see the Axis circle jerk with people complaining that the one faction with every crutch in the book is some how underpowered lol.
The idea that the Jackson needed ANY nerfing is so laughable. It only serves ONE task, how dare it be good at that. If it were a good against infantry like the Panther, King Tiger, Panzer IV, Jagtiger, Elefant, I could see how it might be a problem and need a nerf but it's not
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.
u deserve to lose if u don't have an Ele when there's an ISU.
Just stay out of topics u have no knowledge of, Latch.
Ranked, I only play USF. Wouldn't be caught dead playing Nazis with some sort of record being taken
I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you, and wouldn't be surprised to be hit again, but I'm fed up with this bullshit and honestly, the sole fact that I'm not permad is what keeps me here having discussions about the game I like and yes, I do question myself why I still go back here to this free range insane asylum so often.
I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you
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Did a quick test:
Churchill vs OKW P4 on medium range. Result: OKW Panzer 4 is dead and Churchill has 65% of his HP left. Conclusion: Churchill struggles against OKW P4
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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DPS against what also matters.
Churchill struggles against OKW P4 and vet2 ost P4.
It can't go up against anything bigger frontally and I don't need to say that won't be flanking anything with it.
It struggles the same way KV-1 does.
It does not mean it'll lose or come close to.
It means it has a very hard time actually penetrating and finishing it off.
Compare how long it takes for churchill to kill that OKW P4 vs a Comet vs OKW P4 and you will start getting the idea.
Churchill is damage sponge, not damage dealer, whoever believes churchills firepower is OP, can't handle T34 either.
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DPS against what also matters.
Churchill struggles against OKW P4 and vet2 ost P4.
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It struggles the same way KV-1 does.
It does not mean it'll lose or come close to.
It means it has a very hard time actually penetrating and finishing it off.
Compare how long it takes for churchill to kill that OKW P4 vs a Comet vs OKW P4 and you will start getting the idea.
Churchill is damage sponge, not damage dealer, whoever believes churchills firepower is OP, can't handle T34 either.
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I recall that game. Again i'm not saying its blatantly OP, but it is difficult to deal with. As I remember in that game luvnest lost because he didn't have the repairs to keep both his fireflies and the churchill on the field at the same time. That doesn't have much to do with the churchill so much as a missplay.
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So in other words the Churchill/KV-1 will win the fight clearly but it will still straggle.
Actually Churchill has a better chance to penetrate PzIV's front and read armor (it has 100% chance to penetrate rear) than PzIV to penetrate the Churchill's.
In other words Churchill has better "DPS" vs PzIV than vice versa.
Churchill vs OKW PzIV Front/Rear
0.58%/100%
0.51%/100%
0.45%/100%
OKW PzIV vs Churchill F/R
0.52%/0.69%
0.48%/0.64%
0.46%/0.61%
So according to katitof's "straggle" PzIV also straggles vs Churchill.
Would be nice if people use terms like "straggle" with their dictionary meaning and not as they see fit?
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Didn't know those units were static.
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Churchill vs OKW PzIV Front/Rear
0.58%/100%
0.51%/100%
0.45%/100%
OKW PzIV vs Churchill F/R
0.52%/0.69%
0.48%/0.64%
0.46%/0.61%
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(Edited data since some people have reading issues the same people should understand that the data provided are the chance for Churchill to penetrate the front and the read armor of OKW PzIV separate by /)
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I am not sure what you mean but even you park a Ostheer PzIV in the rear of the Churchill it will still probably lose since the frontal armor of the PzIV is equal to rear armor of the Churchill which has one of the highest rear armor values in the game.
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Even if you park a stuart in the rear of the Pz4, it will still lose. But the Stuart is still more mobile and can perform other tasks. If your opponent went Churchill, you should have tech T4 for a Panther. Or hunted for the Sapper squads to reduce his capability to repair his units.
In that case, your stat are interesting but doesn't mean nothing in term of gameplay between both unit.
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I merely pointed out that Churchill does not straggle vs PzIV as someone claim a point you seem to agree with since you suggested going Panthers.
In addition I pointed the very high rear armor value of the Churchill.
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Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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