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11 Jun 2015, 20:47 PM
#301
avatar of Zyllen

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Sigh, when would people realize that the tank on itself is not good rather than the shock/rush value of having a medium tank on the field.

A SINGLE buff is needed (RoF, Price, Upgrades, veterancy, whatever).


in what way is it not good compared to the p4 or sherman. Any buffs and you also need to up the price of the t-34 as it is perfectly priced.

11 Jun 2015, 20:52 PM
#302
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jump backJump back to quoted post11 Jun 2015, 20:43 PMZyllen


would that not be the same for the ostheer tier 4 then?

No, not the same. T3 seems better option - it's true, but Phanter still a Phanter, with 960hp and 352 armor after 2nd star, and you can get it cheaper than it is now by skipping, it was quite solid option during NDA. However I'm not in denial that Wulframen or Brummbär need a look at, they need just a little tweak.

Majority of people here would be glad to pay higher price for buffed T-34/76, it isn't problem.
11 Jun 2015, 21:06 PM
#303
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jump backJump back to quoted post11 Jun 2015, 19:50 PMVonIvan

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11 Jun 2015, 23:32 PM
#304
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jump backJump back to quoted post11 Jun 2015, 20:47 PMZyllen
in what way is it not good compared to the p4 or sherman. Any buffs and you also need to up the price of the t-34 as it is perfectly priced.


Compared to the Sherman, it has a slower rate of fire, worse anti-infantry, and worse veterancy. In fact, the T-34/76's main gun is about as effective vs Infantry as the Sherman's gun with AP rounds loaded.
12 Jun 2015, 05:47 AM
#305
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jump backJump back to quoted post11 Jun 2015, 17:03 PMBlalord



He is the cheapest, prove me not.


And not cost-effective compared to sherman or pz4. 85 fuel for what it does is best price.
12 Jun 2015, 06:41 AM
#306
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jump backJump back to quoted post11 Jun 2015, 19:23 PMKatitof


He isn't.

He just knows what changes are coming and somewhat understands them.
This unit will be new SU-76 post patch and no one wants that.

Hell, relic acknowledged it as a noob trap and there are still some retarded people believing its fine using arguments "because when I'm owned it arrives faster".

However T34 indeed doesn't need much. 10% cost decrease alone would likely suffice.


A 10% decrease will not be enough if the tank gets moved to T4 and you need to build T3 to build T4. It needs to scale better, a cost decrease is not enough at all
12 Jun 2015, 06:43 AM
#307
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Let's makes some hypothetical changes. Some which have been suggested in the past:
-Heavy call ins are limited to 1
-Medium and Heavy call in tanks requires tech
-Soviet teching is overhaul, moving the "light" vehicles to T3 and the tanks to T4. T3 is cheap and required to get T4.



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12 Jun 2015, 06:43 AM
#308
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Maybe it's because I'm not a fanboy.



Oh come on, we both know that it is not the case. But I am glad that you realized T 34/76 will never be build if it gets moved to T4
12 Jun 2015, 14:51 PM
#309
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Compared to the Sherman, it has a slower rate of fire, worse anti-infantry, and worse veterancy. In fact, the T-34/76's main gun is about as effective vs Infantry as the Sherman's gun with AP rounds loaded.


Thats why its cheaper. and do not forget that the sherman is perhaps the cost effective its in a different faction which has no heavies whatsoever. so i dont mind that their medium stock tank is better.

I will agree that the current soviet stock is up, but problem is the bad teching options and the su-76 and su85 not performing as TD's. Buffing the t-34 will solve nothing.
12 Jun 2015, 15:49 PM
#310
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jump backJump back to quoted post12 Jun 2015, 14:51 PMZyllen

Thats why its cheaper.

Who cares about price. Give T-34 armor, firepower and speed from Panther and Panther price and tech requirements. SU players need a tank, not a one-off anti-tank grenade. If i need cheap tank i build T-70. T-34-76 like T4 unit is just ridiculous.
12 Jun 2015, 16:07 PM
#311
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As plenty of people have already said: either lower the price, so that the weaknesses are compensated for by larger numbers. Or add the ability to upgrade it later to a T34/85, so that it doesn't become totally hopeless in the late game.

Also consider adding much higher odds for engine or main gun destroyed when a German tank is rammed from behind. At least that way it will add some more strategy and tactics to T34 use.
Currently ram is little more than a 'speed up death' button.
12 Jun 2015, 16:21 PM
#312
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jump backJump back to quoted post12 Jun 2015, 14:51 PMZyllen


Thats why its cheaper. and do not forget that the sherman is perhaps the cost effective its in a different faction which has no heavies whatsoever. so i dont mind that their medium stock tank is better.

I will agree that the current soviet stock is up, but problem is the bad teching options and the su-76 and su85 not performing as TD's. Buffing the t-34 will solve nothing.
reading your post goves me cancer, you think the su85 needs a buff, but not the t34? What game are you playing? The su85 is a phenomenal td its only issue is path finding and its in a tier with no direct ai to support it. The t34 is just about as extinct as the su76 i never see sov players use them just callins. All it needs is a rof and/or a accuracy buff for it to be worth it.
12 Jun 2015, 16:21 PM
#313
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jump backJump back to quoted post12 Jun 2015, 14:51 PMZyllen


Thats why its cheaper. and do not forget that the sherman is perhaps the cost effective its in a different faction which has no heavies whatsoever. so i dont mind that their medium stock tank is better.

I will agree that the current soviet stock is up, but problem is the bad teching options and the su-76 and su85 not performing as TD's. Buffing the t-34 will solve nothing.
reading your post goves me cancer, you think the su85 needs a buff, but not the t34? What game are you playing? The su85 is a phenomenal td its only issue is path finding and its in a tier with no direct ai to support it. The t34 is just about as extinct as the su76 i never see sov players use them just callins. All it needs is a rof and/or a accuracy buff for it to be worth it.
12 Jun 2015, 16:46 PM
#314
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jump backJump back to quoted post12 Jun 2015, 15:49 PMTAKTCOM

Who cares about price. Give T-34 armor, firepower and speed from Panther and Panther price and tech requirements. SU players need a tank, not a one-off anti-tank grenade. If i need cheap tank i build T-70. T-34-76 like T4 unit is just ridiculous.

Depends on tier costs.
If it would be something like
T1 - 50FU
T2 - 50FU
T3 - 60FU
T4 - 70FU

then timing is decreased only for 10 fuel in comparsion to what it is in current patch.
It T-34 price would be reduced for 10 fuel to compensate, it would be in great spot.
12 Jun 2015, 18:36 PM
#315
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jump backJump back to quoted post12 Jun 2015, 06:43 AMJohnnyB


BURN THE WITCH!!!!!!! He said the Earth is round before it is revealed by science!


Offtopic: if i made a mod with a listed number of balance changes been asked by the community and somehow it ressembles to the alpha, is that still breaching the NDA ?

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12 Jun 2015, 18:44 PM
#316
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Depends on tier costs.
If it would be something like
T1 - 50FU
T2 - 50FU
T3 - 60FU
T4 - 70FU

then timing is decreased only for 10 fuel in comparsion to what it is in current patch.
It T-34 price would be reduced for 10 fuel to compensate, it would be in great spot.


That is waaaaaaaaay too optimistic estimation.

Imagine the worst that can happen and substract 10% from it and you'll get more accurate.
12 Jun 2015, 19:21 PM
#317
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jump backJump back to quoted post12 Jun 2015, 14:51 PMZyllen
Thats why its cheaper. and do not forget that the sherman is perhaps the cost effective its in a different faction which has no heavies whatsoever. so i dont mind that their medium stock tank is better.


Being 10 fuel cheaper isn't an excuse for being totally inferior in every way.
12 Jun 2015, 19:52 PM
#318
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Depends on tier costs.
If it would be something like
T1 - 50FU
T2 - 50FU
T3 - 60FU
T4 - 70FU

then timing is decreased only for 10 fuel in comparsion to what it is in current patch.
It T-34 price would be reduced for 10 fuel to compensate, it would be in great spot.


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12 Jun 2015, 20:34 PM
#319
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I prefer making it cheaper. The whole point of allies is to have more than axis. If Allies could compete for quality easily then Axis loses its edge and it won't solve anything for balance
12 Jun 2015, 21:00 PM
#320
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jump backJump back to quoted post12 Jun 2015, 20:34 PM1[][]
I prefer making it cheaper. The whole point of allies is to have more than axis. If Allies could compete for quality easily then Axis loses its edge and it won't solve anything for balance


Yeah, I want to see thousands of T-34s ramming a Panther and destroying it only via ram damage :snfBarton:

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