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Does T-34 need a buff?
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6 Jun 2015, 23:19 PM
#1
avatar of pussyking
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SU is forced into call-in meta becouse the main battle tank t-34 does not deliver it. I think T-34 needs a buff in order to break the call-in meta. Currently soviet player is forced to call in the Stalin tank to have decent armor which can stand against axis armor and the T-34 just simply does not cut it.
6 Jun 2015, 23:31 PM
#2
avatar of Appleseed

Posts: 622

should just let T34/85 replace the T34/76 and increase the price a bit problem solved.
6 Jun 2015, 23:31 PM
#3
avatar of Gluhoman

Posts: 380

We'll, there is a point in it. As I said before, base tanks of soviets are shit in late game, so you need to spam it. It's better to use call in without building tiers.
6 Jun 2015, 23:33 PM
#4
avatar of braciszek

Posts: 2053

Cheaper T34/76's :P

Would make sense...
6 Jun 2015, 23:33 PM
#5
avatar of pussyking
Donator 11

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should just let T34/85 replace the T34/76 and increase the price a bit problem solved.


Sounds fair enough
6 Jun 2015, 23:52 PM
#6
avatar of municak99

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should just let T34/85 replace the T34/76 and increase the price a bit problem solved.
Well it sounds like a good idea however, the t34-76 is a big part of the whole coh2 early-warfare-eastern-front theme. Replacing it would also remove the theme and style of the SU fraction, a struggling army with the ability to pull them selves out of the pits of hell through cheap tanks and versatile infantry.

In other words making comebacks over and over, first with cons, then with t34s, is2s etc.

I'd say we drop down the cost for it to 85 fuel again. It sounds very cheap but when you think about it, it only has the capabilities of a support vehicle atm.

Can wreck all light vehicles but vulnurable to everything anti-tank.
More than often losing 1v1 confrontations against P4s and can for 85 fuel actually stand up against heavier call-in tanks like tigers. Actually having a reason to sacrifice tanks and even be able to out-number, which is what soviets usually had in their favour during ww2, Their strength in numbers.
7 Jun 2015, 00:01 AM
#7
avatar of Cabreza

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The T34/76 definitely under performs. Compared to the P4 and Sherman it has worse AI (even before the pintle gunner upgrade is taken into account) and worse AT with none of the survival abilities both those tanks have. Sure it is 10 fuel less than a Sherman and 25 less than a P4 but it ends being too expensive to spam and too cheap to be useful as a generalist.

A few ideas to fix the problem:

1.) Replace it with the T34/85. The T34/85 would have to be reduced to the standard 640 health instead of it's currently ridiculous 800 health for this to work and even then the tank would have to cost between 120-140 fuel but the improved gun would make all the difference when fighting heavier armor.

2.) Give the T34/76 HE rounds. It works for the Sherman. If the 76 could switch between HE and AT rounds it would be a much larger threat to infantry and have a better defined role as an AI tank that can do a bit of AT work if need be.

3.) Make the T34/76 cheaper and reduce the pop cap. If the cost of the T34/76 was reduced to around 80-85 fuel it would be a much easier tank to spam in large numbers. In this instance the advantage of the 76 would be that while an inferior tank in all regards you can have two 76s for every panther and three 76s for every two P4s. Thus some degree of parity could be maintained by numbers alone.
7 Jun 2015, 00:24 AM
#8
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make it cheaper OR revert its old RoF OR add t34/85 in t4
7 Jun 2015, 00:40 AM
#9
avatar of Appleseed

Posts: 622

The T34/76 definitely under performs. Compared to the P4 and Sherman it has worse AI (even before the pintle gunner upgrade is taken into account) and worse AT with none of the survival abilities both those tanks have. Sure it is 10 fuel less than a Sherman and 25 less than a P4 but it ends being too expensive to spam and too cheap to be useful as a generalist.

A few ideas to fix the problem:

1.) Replace it with the T34/85. The T34/85 would have to be reduced to the standard 640 health instead of it's currently ridiculous 800 health for this to work and even then the tank would have to cost between 120-140 fuel but the improved gun would make all the difference when fighting heavier armor.

2.) Give the T34/76 HE rounds. It works for the Sherman. If the 76 could switch between HE and AT rounds it would be a much larger threat to infantry and have a better defined role as an AI tank that can do a bit of AT work if need be.

3.) Make the T34/76 cheaper and reduce the pop cap. If the cost of the T34/76 was reduced to around 80-85 fuel it would be a much easier tank to spam in large numbers. In this instance the advantage of the 76 would be that while an inferior tank in all regards you can have two 76s for every panther and three 76s for every two P4s. Thus some degree of parity could be maintained by numbers alone.


make it cheaper OR revert its old RoF OR add t34/85 in t4


Or give its old Ram back, man i miss the old Ramming ability, once i Had a Game there is 12 tanks disabled in a small forest area it start a panther try to flank got Rammed their tank rush to aid and we rammed all 1 by 1 so my teammate and I rammed our 6 T34/76 with 6 P4/Panther and 1 remaining T34/76 is trying to finish the job and both side infantry fighting heavily around it and CE and Pios both try to repair their own tanks under fire and both side is throwing off map art on that small area, it was so fun.
7 Jun 2015, 01:26 AM
#10
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Or give its old Ram back, man i miss the old Ramming ability, once i Had a Game there is 12 tanks disabled in a small forest area it start a panther try to flank got Rammed their tank rush to aid and we rammed all 1 by 1 so my teammate and I rammed our 6 T34/76 with 6 P4/Panther and 1 remaining T34/76 is trying to finish the job and both side infantry fighting heavily around it and CE and Pios both try to repair their own tanks under fire and both side is throwing off map art on that small area, it was so fun.


u are right. if ram was a guaranteed immobilization and main gun destroyed it would be worth the price.
7 Jun 2015, 04:44 AM
#11
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Cheaper T34/76's :P

Would make sense...

Yes.
Would be awesome.
If there are any concerns about T34 rushing, they can do what that one guy did in the STOM mod and make them upgrade from the structure before being able to produce them (the other two units, I forget what they are, are available upon building completion).
7 Jun 2015, 06:14 AM
#12
avatar of Porygon

Posts: 2609

No, because no one want more Windustry spam from the first year, which were stupid.

Best option is giving upgun upgrade like COH1 Sherman, or vet 2 into T-34/85.
7 Jun 2015, 07:26 AM
#13
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Best option is giving upgun upgrade like COH1 Sherman, or vet 2 into T-34/85.


not gonna happen

relic is trying to keep up the look of real warfare, they stated this multiple times (even if the gameplay itself is ultra wtf) and t-34 werent able to just upgrade its gun, they had to remove the whole turret and replace it with one with bigger diameter

85 fuel then
7 Jun 2015, 07:44 AM
#14
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Posts: 2609



not gonna happen

relic is trying to keep up the look of real warfare, they stated this multiple times (even if the gameplay itself is ultra wtf) and t-34 werent able to just upgrade its gun, they had to remove the whole turret and replace it with one with bigger diameter

85 fuel then


Is Panzer IV vet 2 changing model making sense? Then why not? :)
7 Jun 2015, 08:00 AM
#15
avatar of spectre645

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Is Panzer IV vet 2 changing model making sense? Then why not? :)


P4 just gets armoured skirts. That's more of a modification than the overhaul of t34/76 to t34/85.
7 Jun 2015, 08:01 AM
#16
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Is Panzer IV vet 2 changing model making sense? Then why not? :)


p4 doesn't turn into a panther. a t34 turning into an 85 at vet is the same thing.

t34/85 should either be a huge 100fuel 200mp base upgrade, or locked in t4 after t3 is built
7 Jun 2015, 08:01 AM
#17
avatar of Porygon

Posts: 2609



P4 just gets armoured skirts. That's more of a modification than the overhaul of t34/76 to t34/85.


It was much more than putting two piece of steel plate there, if I recalled right.
7 Jun 2015, 08:36 AM
#18
avatar of PanzerGeneralForever

Posts: 1067

No, because no one want more Windustry spam from the first year, which were stupid.

Best option is giving upgun upgrade like COH1 Sherman, or vet 2 into T-34/85.

+1
7 Jun 2015, 08:48 AM
#19
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Best option is giving upgun upgrade like COH1 Sherman, or vet 2 into T-34/85.


Makes no sense though, they were very similar vehicles but the T-34/85 still needed a heavily modified hull to fit the 85's turret, which was much larger than the 76's turret. It'd be like upgrading the M20 Utility Car into an M8 Greyhound, or M3 Half-Track into M15 AA Half-Track, etc etc.
7 Jun 2015, 08:55 AM
#20
avatar of Porygon

Posts: 2609



Makes no sense though, they were very similar vehicles but the T-34/85 still needed a heavily modified hull to fit the 85's turret, which was much larger than the 76's turret. It'd be like upgrading the M20 Utility Car into an M8 Greyhound, or M3 Half-Track into M15 AA Half-Track, etc etc.


Seriously who need sense here?

Volks popping screck from their ass?
M5 popping up a quad?
Weapon rack is locked forever unless commander approve?
MG34 shooting completely harmless popcorn?
Stuka used to drop fallshimmjager?
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