Profile of Hannibal

With the weapons files from coh2 tools.


I wouldn't call it "utterly useless" especially since we are not talking about two separate vehicles but about exactly the same vehicle pre and post patched.

This is of course theoretical analysis and I doubt that x147% increase in DPS is accurate.

The value thou is simply too high to be completely off by more 50% and the SU-85 being actually worse vs medium now than it was before.

Imo it is safe to say that with increase in accuracy, penetration, rotation and target size the SU-85 perform superior vs PZIV even if its ROF has been reduced.

In game one can see that FF with notorious long ROF is an effective TD because it delivers damage consistently with its over the top accuracy.

Why do you post them then implying that they are a good way of comparing units if you already know that they are heavily inaccurate at best? You are just misleading people with these numbers that might not have the in gamr knowledge of how everything behind the scenes works.

Fact is, TTK is the only real factor that matters, because in tank fight there is no difference between 161 and 320 HP. Your DPS calculation solely based on accuracy overestimates the performance of high accuracy units A LOT. That's like the reason why the 'new' SU85 looks so much better on paper.

Even if we assume that the new SU85 hits every shot and that the old SU85 misses once which would simulate farther ranges (again, this whole setup favors the new version by default), the TTK against mediums would both be at 17 seconds.

It is everything else than safe to say the unit now performs better, because its ROF got reduced by a third.

I woulf really recommend (if you have the time obviously) to check it out in cheatmode, best case with a 0 accuracy mod. I never tested all of this systematically, but from what I have seen in a (rather few) tests I started to count half of the missed shots as scatter hits as a rule of thumb. But again, without real testing. So I'd recommend doing that for the P4/SU85 setup

He thinks its the gun that makes KV-1 win vs P4, not the armor and health advantage.
That's the key difference.

And KV-1 got anything BUT a decent gun.
In fact, its the worst medium tank tier gun in the whole game to engage other vehicles with, so no, its not decent nor adequate.

Also, example of KV-8 further underlines that its exclusively durability advantage, because KV-8, using its 45mm meme gun can also beat P4 in a slugfest.

You have argument out of this, because that particular specimen will do everything and anything to try to spin narrative using twisted semantic games to "prove" his point even if its complete and utter bs.

Wgile I don't agree with Vipper's sometimes weird self made definitions, this is actually a complete fail on your part.
'enough' does not mean it's the main selling point, no matter how often you repeat it. That's the at least second thread I see you two arguing about that. And I might have missed a couple of posts, but the ones I read Vipper never said the KV1 had a great gun. But obviously if you can provide a quote where he recently said that, I am open to change my mind

To be fair, Blitz, as you describe, is a veterancy ability that is both timed and has a munitions cost involved. The Pershing being quite speedy is still nice, given that it's an inherent trait.

What Sky is probably saying is that the Panther can easily catch up with the Pershing even when you reacting late. And trading a Panther (+30 mun) for a Pershing is a good trade resource wise.

Well if you nerf the su85 how does the stock soviet army cope with the huge axis armour values? The t34/76 has some of the lowest pen in the game. You can't do that otherwise you're forcing soviets into commanders to counter specific doctrinal units which is unhealthy.

SU85 could easily be toned down to +15-+20% pen with vet. Currently it gets 95% pen chance at vet3 vs 300 armor, that's more than plenty. Against a vet3 SU85, both SOV and OST player will assume that all shots penetrate.
Plus they have the best snare infantry in the game.

While we're at it, the KT's 80dmg aoe kill distance is worse than a pz iv last time I checked: 1.04 vs 1.13. This isn't right, the KT 80 aoe should be larger.

While this is true, the King Tiger shoots way more accurately. Plus the mid-far AoE is way way better, so overall this 0,1 m OHK difference will definetely not be felt. KT is great at taking health and models off a squad, somewhere in between the Pershing and ISU.

I don't recall the values but the Pershing gets its rof doubled at vet 3amd before that can get a 30% reduction iirc through combined arms.

As Katitof said, this is not true. Also the Pershing has 1 sec of wind down, which will not be affected by vet and comes from a quite slow firing fun anyway (about 7 sec per shot iirc)