Profile of Vipper

Not sure what DPS you're looking at, but the (Command) Panther has a 6.65s reload with only 20/30 more penetration at max range while the Tiger I has more than a 20% faster reload at 5.25s. That extra bit of penetration does not make up for the reload disadvantage, and the Tiger I can easily afford to get closer because of its higher durability.

If I'm calculating it somewhat correctly, the Tiger I has a ~45s TTK while the Panther has a 54s TTK, against an IS-2 at 40-50 range, counting from the first shot. Disregarding accuracy because scatter shots are too unpredictable to quantify.

I am checking DPS according to Relic spread sheet vs IS-2 for the weapons I have written. What i am not surer if is am looking at the correct Tiger weapon.

If your number are true then this is simply bad design since the specialized C.Panther (and thus the Panther)are far less cost efficient in its intended role as a counter to vehicles than the more all around Tiger.

You can't seriously want to take the tournament win rates of sample sizes of 1-4 games per commander, with the exception of Luftwaffe at barely 18 games, and present them as fact? That data is completely unreliable. OKW won 2/4 games with no commanders picked, would that make picking no commander almost as good as Grand Offensive?

I took all the games without G.O. vs the game G.O.

In 34 game OKW won 14 which is 42% while G.O won 21 if 34 games and that is a good indicator that the commander is OP.

I am pretty sure similar number will be available for Special OP before G.O. thus the faction performance in tournaments is heavily affect by the performance of specific commanders.

I think the prevalance of Grand Offensive has a lot less to do with OKW than it has to to with the IS-2.

The IS-2 has 375 armour, which means only other heavies and the Panther are effective against it.

In a meta where the IS-2 has a habit of being the first built vehicle larger than a T-70, the Tiger is going to be favoured: for a relatively small premium over the Panther you get potent manpower bleed too. Nobody's going to go Panther against the IS-2 if they've got a Tiger.

The problem isn't OKW's nondoc roster, it's that the 1v1 heavy tank rush meta hasn't been successfully killed off yet and the best counter to a heavy right now is another heavy. Until it is, you're going to keep seeing Grand Offensive.

I am not sure about that since C.Panther is probably better at dealing with IS-2 than the tiger,
especially with the mark target. Yet the commander was not picked a single time.That is an indicator of much how more powerful a main battle tank (all around unit) is, than a "specialized" unit, a problem that also seems to exist in Ostheer T4.

And what happened if you didn't go Panic Panther in the last meta?

You'd get whacked in the face with a techless heavy.

My point was basically since OKW have been choosing specific commander for years it is difficult to talk about their balance state. Commander choice might be easily hiding balance issues like the one you mentioned.

It's the same problem we've had for a year: stalling for heavies works, so the 1v1 degenerates into heavy tank standoffs.

I'm starting to think the only solution is to make heavy stalling completely unviable. The very existence of that strategy kills off so many others.

Now that sound a bit too drastic.

Imo there other issues. There has been a trend of allowing continuously higher power level units earlier in the game and has been driving continuous buff to numerous units. Imo this a bad direction since the game pace has been faster and now as you say we have ended up in the strongest of this units (Super heavy tank) stand off.

At this point I have to point out that Super heavies did not only become available allot earlier as I had pointed out (the point most people focus in) but allot more lethal with the new AOE profiles.

But there are number of solution to this issue like:
Slowing the pace of the game
Allowing longer windows of opportunity for each phase of the game
Redesigning Super heavy (some other units) to have less shock value and more sustain impact by Moving their power level to veterancy instead of base stats.

For example one could move allot of the IS-2 armor to vet bonuses instead of a base stat. The unit would still keep its "character" but is would have less shock value and allow opponent more time to prepare to deal with it.

What worries me, are the leaks that MOD is actually considering going the opposite route and lowering the vet bonuses of these units instead of lowering the base stats thus they seem to want to keep the shock value of these unit high.

Imo the stat indicate that G.O. commander is OP compared to other commanders (that can be checked banning the commander in the next tournament) and is impacting the OKW too much so their might be a possibility that OKW are actually UP with the commander.

Having that said I disagree with OP that this is reason enough to buff the other commanders. Instead G.O. should be nerfed at the same power level of other commander and any changes to fix any OKW issues should focus on stock units.

On the other hand nerfing Soviets and USF would be a far better solutions than buffing OKW units/commanders because it would:
Help with Ostheer problems
Help with UKF problems
Stop the Power creep

So, with your way of thinking, from here can we say Fallschrimjager is underperforming too ? Because obviously they are not.

Luftwaffe Ground Forces Doctrine win ratio 33%
Grand Offensive Doctrine 54%

The Fallschrimjager might not be UP but the stat indicate the commander inferior.

I disagree I think it's interesting to look at and talk about. But jumping right in and using it to support your balance claim is not at all what it's for imo

This is one single 1v1 tournament that didn't include all maps in a game that can go up to 4 players per side and has different maps for each game-mode. I really don't see how you can take that and apply it to the entire game

1) That is why I used the term indication and not proof
2) This how science works, one looks at the stats one has and comes up with theories then chooses the one that fits the stats better.

Unless someone comes up with better theory about why PF where not used that much when they where available I am keeping mine.