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Thread: The Great OKW commander balancing23 Dec 2019, 23:31 PM Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2019, 22:48 PMT.R. Stormjäger Jett is right, Cmd Panther exceled at dropping a mark target on an enemy medium and then diving it to quickly get the kill. Heavies have enough xp to escape to enemy AT/infantry and prevent such a dive. Mark target is not that great vs mediums it offer 15% better accuracy since the number of shot remain the same. C.Panther is greatly overpriced as counter to mediums since it cost around 2 time the fuel. PZIV is fine at dealing with medium for a cheaper price. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: The Great OKW commander balancing23 Dec 2019, 23:29 PM Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2019, 23:10 PMLago Except the Panther doesn't counter super heavies. It's less effective than StuGs (and apparently Pumas) against >300 armour vehicles. OKW do not have Stugs. If the C.Panther/Panther do not counter Super heavies than it simply badly designed and have the wrong cost. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: The Great OKW commander balancing23 Dec 2019, 23:24 PM Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2019, 21:20 PMSkysTheLimit Yeah Lago calling that semantics is not "being toxic." It's being accurate Waiting for a heavy is more viable than it was before, you can call it whatever you want It seem that now it is your are being toxic. I did not come up with term "heavy stalling" its in the freaking patch notes. Before the patch it stalling for Super no tech heavies, not there is not stalling one simply goes for Super heavies hence "Super heavy meta" Now PLS stop wasting everyone's in your attempt to accuse me of semantics, I am using a term used in that patch notes as it meant to be used. I suggest you simply move on In: COH2 Balance
Thread: The Great OKW commander balancing23 Dec 2019, 22:42 PM Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2019, 18:11 PMJae For Jett Again, countering heavies is not the command panthers role or what it excels at. Its aggressively hunting and killing mediums. If mediums were more favored, the medium hunter (the panther) would also be more favored. Also, the command panther has been retuned (cost decrease) to be more of a command alternative to the panther. Even if the c panther absolutely annihilatd heavies, spec ops still wouldnt be any more preferable because the panther would do the job just as well without requiring a doctrine. Like you said, you dont have a lot of vehicles to benefit from the aura in 1v1s, so why choose the command panther over the regular panther? One can do that with cheaper JP. Panther is there to counter super heavies. C. Panther is simply way too expensive since it cost around the same as Command Tiger comes at similar CP and bring allot less to the table. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Make nades dodging great (again)23 Dec 2019, 11:24 AM Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2019, 11:18 AMBananenheld A bit off topic but I can't wrap my head around the - 50% dmg reduction behind green cover if thrown over it. Nades should be a counter to cover, not the other way around. For example: Your conscripts stand behind green cover (sandbag) and enemy gren is firing a rifle nade. Best thing you can do is tank it, because your risking losing the whole squad as soon as you order a move out of green cover.. Maybe im overseeing something but for me at least nades should be a hard counter to cover, doesn't matter if green or yellow. Imo the should be 2 type of grenades: Offensive (stun grenades) Big AOE, stun, low damage extra damage to cover garrison Defensive (frag grenades) smaller AOE more damage, lower damage to cover/garrison And then rest of the grenades, incendiary/smoke/WP.... In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: The Great OKW commander balancing23 Dec 2019, 10:10 AM Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2019, 03:33 AMmrgame2 The AOE buffs help Tiger/Axis most. Affording a Tiger before a P4, helps Axis stay in the games better. Reverting AOE makes Axis suffer more I think the issues being mid-late games, Axis do struggle dealing with Allies infantry supported by 60Td. Anyway, it is either rush a P4 and call in a heavy later Or stall for Tiger and supplement with P4 later. I dont think it is that bad? The problem is that now the best strategy is to get a heavy tank narrowing the number of commanders used. It more a diversity issue than balance issue. Either this vehicles become stock or they should become less attractive. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: The Great OKW commander balancing23 Dec 2019, 10:05 AM Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2019, 04:16 AMSkysTheLimit It "doesn't exist" because it became an even stronger tactic than it was before. Now you have to wait even less time than you did. I don't know what you're clarifying here You are confusing the "heavy stalling" with "heavy meta", the dominant tactic before and after the patch. Read my post and the definition of "heavy stalling" "for not teching heavy" in the patch notes. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: The Great OKW commander balancing23 Dec 2019, 00:51 AM Jump back to quoted post22 Dec 2019, 22:57 PMLago Stalling for a heavy is waiting until you've got the resources for one instead of building something else. "Stalling for heavy" strategy is clearly described in the patch notes: "Heavy Tank Call-In Changes for all Factions We felt the strategy of stalling for a heavy tank call-in without teching stagnated gameplay and was too punishing for players who did tech." The moment Super heavy tank got a tech cost the strategy no longer exits. Jump back to quoted post22 Dec 2019, 22:57 PMLago Go play semantics elsewhere. Pls stop being toxic/provoking and turning this into a personal issue. I have not insulted you in anyway and I am not play the "I am right you wrong game", I am simply clarifying things. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: The Great OKW commander balancing22 Dec 2019, 22:47 PM Jump back to quoted post22 Dec 2019, 22:05 PMLago Heavy stalling probably wouldn't be a thing if they'd stayed at CP13. But as we've never had tech tying with the classic CP caps, it's all hypothetical. Heavy stalling translates into "stockpiling" fuel instead of investing it in tech so that one can call in Super heavies a soon as they become available and replaced them. If one has to spend that fuel on tech one can not "stockpile" that fuel. There is nothing hypothetical here and I guess we both agree that "heavy stalling" went out the window as soon as Super heavies go tied to tech. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: The Great OKW commander balancing22 Dec 2019, 22:03 PM Jump back to quoted post22 Dec 2019, 21:59 PMLago ... Did you miss the World Championship? If the CP remained the same and only tech requirement where introduced Super heavy stalling would not be viable so I am not sure if you understood my post. It is the changes in CP and the new AOE profiles that have created the "super heavy meta" which is different from "super heavy" stalling. In: COH2 Balance