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Thread: Conscripts Ppsh assault package - Late game idea20 Dec 2020, 14:04 PM Jump back to quoted post20 Dec 2020, 13:49 PMKatitof Once more it is irrelevant in this thread since this thread is about the ppsh and not conscript generally, the mod think they vet 3 conscripts over perform so they nerfed them. If you have problem with feel free to provide your feedback Jump back to quoted post20 Dec 2020, 13:49 PMKatitof Once more ppsh conscripts are the least effected by the accuracy change. Bleed has always been an issue for conscripts in late game and that is why MR provides a discount. Only the discount does not effects PPsh which are actually the unit version that need it the most. In: Lobby
Thread: Conscripts Ppsh assault package - Late game idea20 Dec 2020, 13:11 PM Jump back to quoted post20 Dec 2020, 12:36 PMKatitof That's a powerful nerf... not a buff. That does nothing for insufficient combat potential, especially with additional indirect nerf of vet3 acc loss, especially paired with your heavy nerf "buff". I am not sure why you bring up vet accuracy nerf since it that was a decision of the MOD team that effect all courtships and PPsh conscripts are the least effected by the 10% accuracy nerf at vet 3. On the other hand a cheaper refinement not available to them at the moment will decrease their bleed. In: Lobby
Thread: Conscripts Ppsh assault package - Late game idea20 Dec 2020, 12:34 PM Jump back to quoted post20 Dec 2020, 12:12 PMPartisanship ... Ppsh upgrade does not need buffs this simply a result of SVT upgrade. It should provide 6 ppsh but the individual DPs should be adjusted so the total close DPS remains the same. I could however offer a discount similar to MR and it should take a weapon slot. (edited to fix a typo) In: Lobby
Thread: Medium Tanks20 Dec 2020, 11:50 AM Imo medium tanks are starting to become "shock" units with high value when they first hit the field that is drops very fast. This are some suggestions in order to make this unit less of "shock" unit but add more value to them. 1) Delay the arrival of Cromwell, Ostheer PzIV, Sherman by adding 10-20 fuel to T3 and/or increasing research time. Alternatively add a separate side tech. Reasons: The change will improve the timing to T-34/76 and reduce the shock value of these units. It will also increase the window of opportunity for light tanks opening the way for them to be toned down. Issues with the lv weakness of Ostheer can be fixed by the reintroduction 221, redesigning of 222 a soft counter and lowering the power level of ostwind to 80-90 fuel while also increasing its AT capabilities. 2) Reduce the top speed of PzIV/Sherman by around 10%. Reasons: This is increase the mobility advance of Cromwell and T-34/76. 3)Lower the max range accuracy of TDs. Reasons: the probability of damaging mediums tanks from max range is simply too high In: Lobby
Thread: Osttruppen Discussion and Feedback20 Dec 2020, 08:50 AM Jump back to quoted post20 Dec 2020, 08:30 AMCODGUY They aren't that expensive, 60 MP more than Riflemen, don't have to pay to upgrade their weaponry, or unlock their super nade. Riflemen, Infantry Sections, Conscripts you pay for every damn little thing. PG are: 60 manpower more than riflemen 70 manpower than IS 100 manpower more than conscripts while they need 100/400 tech. Given how bad IS beat VG for 10 manpower PG are not doing that great. Jump back to quoted post20 Dec 2020, 08:30 AMCODGUY I know the thread is about Osttruppen but the main reason why the Osttruppen strategy overpreforms is because of Panzergrens being practically a T1 unit that walks all over anything other than some doctrinal elite infantry (that arrive WAY later) and maybe Penal troops. The first part is correct but on the other hand powerful unit should not be available for allies so early either. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] SOV Feedback20 Dec 2020, 07:48 AM Jump back to quoted post19 Dec 2020, 21:23 PMvgfgff I still can't find a proper reason why they nerf con and t34 because of that commander. Can you doing test with me? if you have free time. thanks test with AI are a bit hard to notice. Yes I ca help test things but use the shot box or PM and not this thread. Jump back to quoted post19 Dec 2020, 21:58 PMMr Carmine I used to be a 4v4 player wich i still play sometimes. Going 1v1 was an eye opener. Yes different mod play completely differently. Think osttruppen is great example OP in 1vs1 up in 4vs4 In: COH2 Balance
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] SOV Feedback20 Dec 2020, 07:46 AM Jump back to quoted post20 Dec 2020, 05:15 AMelchino7 Penetrating shot nerf Penetrating shot got 1.000 penetration which is a huge buff to its AT role and price reduction from 70 to 60 and now fire the projectile faster. As for AOE its Kill radius might have gone down but its FAR AOE was increased 1.5 and the far damage was tripled. I doubt this qualifies a straight nerf. Jump back to quoted post20 Dec 2020, 05:15 AMelchino7 M3A1: HP n armor nerf HP went up not down. Overall it about 10% EHP reduction and bringing armor value close to other vehicles. Jump back to quoted post20 Dec 2020, 05:15 AMelchino7 Late game nerf (you end up paying for something you were getting for free) and the expense of getting it faster at T3 timing if you pay for it. ... Remember that Grens get this for free at T4 and this didn't solve all the complains with Grenadiers in the late game. MR can become available from around minute 6 and the XP gain kick in for both units immediately and the reinforcement reduction for Penal. As an investment it can return value for much longer time than "all out war". Imo you are underestimating the time factor. Finally one has to keep in mind that Ostheer received minor buff and mostly nerfs especially in their crutch commanders and OKW where not doing that great to being with. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] SOV Feedback19 Dec 2020, 20:22 PM Jump back to quoted post19 Dec 2020, 19:17 PMMr Carmine I personaly feel the only 3 things that might or will help are the healing buff, easier smoke barrages on the mortar and the ptrs buff on penals. The m3 change is fine but wont do much in 4v4 They however do not compensate or rationalize the massive broad stroke nerfs across mid to late game. If all these changes are final soviet late game in 4v4 is crippled massivly. 1v1 will mostly be intact, just 0 ramming and mid game will be harder. All they viably can do in 4v4 is spam su85/katty or go isu or is2 docs. 3 of wich axis mains already consider to be op or god tier op. Nerfs request will triple on those units by the next patch. It is nice to see that you make a distinction in large and small modes. When it comes to 4v4 I think that doctrinal changes like removing stuka/elefant combo will fix a number of issues. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] SOV Feedback19 Dec 2020, 18:50 PM Jump back to quoted post19 Dec 2020, 16:09 PMMr Carmine In live 1v1 they dont struggle. And are not op. They are solid... Nice to see that, unlike some other users who are on crusade to convince everyone that Soviet are the worse faction by far, we agree. Jump back to quoted post19 Dec 2020, 16:09 PMMr Carmine In 1v1 without ram the t34 is cost effective but nothing special unless massed. Nice to see we agree. Jump back to quoted post19 Dec 2020, 16:09 PMMr Carmine I have no problem with the ele countering allied td's but soviets need a viable counter to it. And with these changes they wont imo. Nice to see we agree. Jump back to quoted post19 Dec 2020, 16:09 PMMr Carmine In 4v4 t34's only viable use is to ram because its wrecked in an instant, it doenst last in nearly any engagement. Its main gun only tickles panthers tigers and other 260 plus armoured units. Its ai isent strong enough to make it worthwhile, any at support wil force the t34 off before it does enough or any ai damage. It doesnt have any utility to make up for it being the weakest medium. Flanking is none excistant there, thats if the t34 had strenghts to flank to begin with.. without ram (wich is gutted with these changes) its is a pointless unit in 4v4. Although I generally agree that is an issue that has more do with most stock mediums and not with T-34/76. Jump back to quoted post19 Dec 2020, 16:09 PMMr Carmine I only focused on your remark because it stood out to me. Same with any that think nerfing an entire or near entire mid/late game of any faction for that matter is a good change. On the other hand soviet got a number of buff like 3 PTRS cheaper and better healing, Su-7. And on the other hand Ostheer got a number of nerf in the crutch doctrines so one has to see where chips will fall. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] OKW Feedback19 Dec 2020, 18:40 PM Jump back to quoted post19 Dec 2020, 18:02 PMFire and Terror Battlegroup Headquarters Experimental Given the cost efficiency of the new OKW medics, we want to try one an iteration that makes medics less difficult to backtech to and give OKW more options without needing to pay a large amount of resources for basic indirect-fire. - 150 manpower and 10 fuel: Offers Le.IG upon completetion which now comes from off-map - Medic Upgrade Cost: 50 manpower and 10 fuel - Battle Group Upgrade: 100manpower and 20 fuel: unlocks 251 Flak Half-track, the UhU Searchlight - Half-Track, Infantry Weapon Upgrades, and ability to reinforce: 15 second research time So let me get this straight. For 150 mp and 10 fuel Okw gets The medic truck that can reinforce and gives a leig for free? LOL. First off the Leig for free is BS, and it will ruin teamgames by being a tanky forward refreshment for 150 mp Medic truck can not reinforce that requires seperate upgrade. Since OKW do not have a T0 mortar leig access simply bring OKW tech closer to USF after revamp. In: COH2 Balance