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The Pershing.

12 Apr 2020, 03:11 AM
#1
avatar of CODGUY

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For the first time in 3 years I have removed Heavy Cavalry from my top 3 commanders. I have also removed my Tiger Grass bulletin and replaced it with Live and Learn.

I played a match yesterday, I wasn't winning anyway so I called in a Pershing to fight a sqaud of vet 2 Panzergrenadiers equipped with Panzerschreks. This was a 1v1 fight and the Pershing lost. That's right, a 230 Fuel 640 MP tank lost to a single Wehrmacht AT sqaud.

This would have been almost impossible before this patch. If this unit is going to preform this badly I don't what purpose it's supposed to serve. It pisses me off because I paid for that commander and the only reason why most people even used that doctrine was for that tank, it's ONLY heavy USF call in there is. So it's piss poor against infantry, why the hell would I use it then? You upped the CP CP requirement, okay. You changed the cool down to 3 minutes, fine. But you did all that, plus made it more expensive and made it and made its performance worse. Again, why would I use this thing? To blow up tanks? What the hell for? It's 640 MP and 230 fuel, I could damn near get two Jacksons for that price which would do a better job. Hell one would arguably do a better job since it's got 60 range.

If I hadn't paid for this doctrine it wouldn't piss me off as much but I have to ask; do these balance team folks think about what they do before they do it? Do they know what they're doing?
12 Apr 2020, 04:01 AM
#2
avatar of BlueKnight

Posts: 320

jump backJump back to quoted post12 Apr 2020, 03:11 AMCODGUY

Dude, Pershing is still better than it was a year ago.
12 Apr 2020, 05:06 AM
#4
avatar of Aarotron

Posts: 563

its not pershings fault if you leave it with prioritize vehicles next to shreck squad.
12 Apr 2020, 05:12 AM
#5
avatar of KoRneY

Posts: 682

It was five dollars. Get over it. You got three years out of it.
12 Apr 2020, 10:15 AM
#6
avatar of Sander93

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jump backJump back to quoted post12 Apr 2020, 03:11 AMCODGUY
I played a match yesterday, I wasn't winning anyway so I called in a Pershing to fight a sqaud of vet 2 Panzergrenadiers equipped with Panzerschreks. This was a 1v1 fight and the Pershing lost. That's right, a 230 Fuel 640 MP tank lost to a single Wehrmacht AT sqaud.





Pershing wins 21/21 times against a vet 2 Panzerschreck Panzergrenadier squad at various ranges. Some were even in heavy cover. 19/21 times it won with more than 50% health left too.


If your Pershing loses to PGrens, you either got incredibly bad RNG (unlikely) or it's a skill issue and not a balance issue. The Pershing even has 45 range vs the Panzerschreck's 35 range so it can theoretically even win without ever getting hit if you kite it well enough.
12 Apr 2020, 10:56 AM
#7
avatar of A table

Posts: 249

^^ OOF

Seriously tho, i wonder if we could ever get a replay on how that pershing lost to a shreck squad.
12 Apr 2020, 11:00 AM
#8
avatar of Protos Angelus

Posts: 1515

Even though I agree that Pershing is much weaker than it's supposed to be... that is a big OOF
12 Apr 2020, 13:28 PM
#9
avatar of Euan

Posts: 177

Pershing wins 21/21 times against a vet 2 Panzerschreck Panzergrenadier squad at various ranges. Some were even in heavy cover. 19/21 times it won with more than 50% health left too.


Haha oh mate. Now, that's what I'm talking about. Scientific approach and evidence even to refute a CODGUY forum post :D
12 Apr 2020, 13:53 PM
#10
avatar of Svalbard

Posts: 33

jump backJump back to quoted post12 Apr 2020, 03:11 AMCODGUY
For the first time in 3 years I have removed Heavy Cavalry from my top 3 commanders. I have also removed my Tiger Grass bulletin and replaced it with Live and Learn.

I played a match yesterday, I wasn't winning anyway so I called in a Pershing to fight a sqaud of vet 2 Panzergrenadiers equipped with Panzerschreks. This was a 1v1 fight and the Pershing lost. That's right, a 230 Fuel 640 MP tank lost to a single Wehrmacht AT sqaud.

This would have been almost impossible before this patch. If this unit is going to preform this badly I don't what purpose it's supposed to serve. It pisses me off because I paid for that commander and the only reason why most people even used that doctrine was for that tank, it's ONLY heavy USF call in there is. So it's piss poor against infantry, why the hell would I use it then? You upped the CP CP requirement, okay. You changed the cool down to 3 minutes, fine. But you did all that, plus made it more expensive and made it and made its performance worse. Again, why would I use this thing? To blow up tanks? What the hell for? It's 640 MP and 230 fuel, I could damn near get two Jacksons for that price which would do a better job. Hell one would arguably do a better job since it's got 60 range.

If I hadn't paid for this doctrine it wouldn't piss me off as much but I have to ask; do these balance team folks think about what they do before they do it? Do they know what they're doing?


Live and Learn is a much better bulletin than Tiger Grass. 10% increased vet gain for your riflemen helps out in most stages of the game. That bulletin should almost always be in your loadout.
12 Apr 2020, 14:50 PM
#11
avatar of thedarkarmadillo

Posts: 5279

My level of surprise the first Pershing up post belongs to codguy: 0
My level of surprise knowing he didn't even use the unit, just read the nerfs, didn't understand them but know they are nerfs and made up some shit to make the Pershing look bad: also 0
12 Apr 2020, 15:43 PM
#12
avatar of elchino7
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Why bother to disprove a CODGUY thread :banana:
12 Apr 2020, 16:25 PM
#13
avatar of KoRneY

Posts: 682

Even though I agree that Pershing is much weaker than it's supposed to be... that is a big OOF


Maybe you and codguy can hold hands about it
12 Apr 2020, 16:36 PM
#14
avatar of Jae For Jett
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Posts: 1002 | Subs: 2

21/21 times

If only you tested it a 22nd time, you would have seen that he was right the entire time.

Also, he never said it was on front armor, or that the pershing was stationary. I think the pgrens might be able to pull some wins if the pershing is facing its rear and moving for every shot, so that might be what CODGUY was doing with his pershing in his story.
12 Apr 2020, 16:38 PM
#15
avatar of T.R. Stormjäger

Posts: 3588 | Subs: 3

Also, he never said it was on front armor, or that the pershing was stationary. I think the pgrens might be able to pull some wins if the pershing is facing its rear and moving for every shot, so that might be what CODGUY was doing with his pershing in his story.


His nonexistent micro is not a balance issue.
12 Apr 2020, 16:41 PM
#16
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His nonexistent micro is not a balance issue.


Non existent micro would mean the Pershing would still win. You need self sabotaging.
12 Apr 2020, 16:46 PM
#17
avatar of Katitof

Posts: 17875 | Subs: 8



Non existent micro would mean the Pershing would still win. You need self sabotaging.

Going by some "event descriptions" in "balance threads", that also sounds quite common.

Just look at the people who complain about penal satchel after trying to ram them with a tank.
12 Apr 2020, 17:06 PM
#18
avatar of Stug life

Posts: 4474


If only you tested it a 22nd time, you would have seen that he was right the entire time.

Also, he never said it was on front armor, or that the pershing was stationary. I think the pgrens might be able to pull some wins if the pershing is facing its rear and moving for every shot, so that might be what CODGUY was doing with his pershing in his story.
maybe he was using prioritize vehicle ? Try doing test with that :romeoHype:
12 Apr 2020, 17:09 PM
#19
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I'm just in awe that Sander spent the time to disprove CoDguy in a very thorough test.
12 Apr 2020, 17:44 PM
#20
avatar of elchino7
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I'm just in awe that Sander spent the time to disprove CoDguy in a very thorough test.


Well, if i had the game opened i would had tried. I thought about it. But i wouldn't bother taking a picture and uploading it.

I was amused by the idea of: is it possible for this to happen?
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