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Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - Ostheer Feedback23 Apr 2021, 11:41 AM Jump back to quoted post23 Apr 2021, 11:08 AMVipper Sort of, in cover bonus is 3 times higher than out of cover but only 1.5 better of theoretical. The DPS of K98 should look something like this: Theoretical (does not apply )--->2.42/1.86/1.49/1.20/1.07 No cover--->1.21/0.93/0.75/0.60/0.53 In cover--->3.63/2.79/2.24/1.80/1.60 Are you sure? I found no notes or references to this, only references to -50% accuracy for slot items. I thought Osttruppen K98 out of cover DPS was lower compared to Grens mostly because they only do half the damage. I thought in-cover DPS of Osttruppen K98 was limited due to hit chance being capped at 1 and they get a lot of over-accuracy. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - Ostheer Feedback23 Apr 2021, 11:02 AM Jump back to quoted post23 Apr 2021, 10:27 AMVipper ostruppen are a weird fruit. The have higher accuracy but have 50% penalty in all weapons. Their DPS out cover is much lower than what you get theoretically by the stats. The penalty basically cut the bonus in cover bonus in half. Imo not even sure why they use this weird mechanism. Also on the K98s? So in cover they would have 0.5*3 = 1.5 the accuracy that you would find in the attribute editor. -> Osttruppen K98 has 0.564 far accuracy Does this mean they have 0.282 out of cover and 0.846 in cover? I thought for their K98 they'd get 1.692 in cover. I thought it was only for slot weapons (picked up ones and the LMG42 upgrade) In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - Ostheer Feedback23 Apr 2021, 08:56 AM Thanks! EDIT: Just to be sure: Slot weapons do not benefit from the in-cover bonus? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - Ostheer Feedback23 Apr 2021, 08:53 AM Can someone quickly remind me how Osttruppen stats work again? +300% accuracy in cover (only affects the K98) -50% accuracy for pick up weapons including the LMG42 upgrade (preview changes this to -25%? I don't fully get it) In: COH2 Balance
Thread: My USF tech rework idea.23 Apr 2021, 08:19 AM I only had a quick look so far, but do you want tech to cost fuel only or the same MP as now? In case you want to keep the MP cost: 400 MP officers are bad, even if they come upgraded. USF needs the free squads because they are quite MP inefficient once you reach 3 Rifles due to those being expensive and RE lacking punch at any phase in the game (combined with an MP expensive ambu). If you have to spend even more MP on tech and squads, this will be the death for all USF elite infantry In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - Soviet Feedback22 Apr 2021, 11:44 AM Jump back to quoted post22 Apr 2021, 11:21 AMaerafield Have you seen vet 2 Partisans attacking out of camouflage with their free +50% accuracy? They can melt through vet 3 panzergrens if caught off-guard. And they also can throw a frag nade out of camouflage, stormtroopers can't Yes, that is fully fine. I personally still had the feeling that Partisans will bleed you heavily. I could not test the 5-men version in the mod in detail yet. My main concern is more that their design should be different. Soviets have tons of PPSh/CQC options already - durable brute force squad with Shocks - cheap economy squad with PPSh Cons - ambush PPSh airborne guards - close-mid range Thompson assault guards These squads already cover almost all niches you can think of when it comes to CQC types. Do they now really need an aggressive ambush bursting unit? Making Partisans a combat squad is probably the easiest, but probably also the most boring solution. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - Soviet Feedback22 Apr 2021, 11:03 AM Jump back to quoted post22 Apr 2021, 10:47 AMthedarkarmadillo I'd see a bit more utility in partisans instead of combat buffs. I wonder if it would be possible to create a salvage system for munitions that functions a bit like interrogation tactics on dead infantry to help feed the machine More mines would also be a fun route. They arnt supposed to fight outright but instead be a real pain in the ass. Another idea would be to add a damage reduction or target size reduction to their camo bonus to when they to get the junp on an enemy they don't just melt away +1 I would also be happy if their design moved away from a camo shock unit (Soviets don't need this type of unit, their whole design is durability and outlasting the opponent, not a glass cannon burst). Partisans should be a high utility and low damage unit. At the very least even in the current design, they should spawn with improved target size (and less veterancy bonus) so that vet0 Partisans are not as bad. This would also allow them to be rebuildable in the late game. A late game vet0 Partisan will just be deleted if it has to face upgraded vet2-3 units. Especially if they are supposed to shoot from point blank. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - Soviet Feedback22 Apr 2021, 10:35 AM Jump back to quoted post22 Apr 2021, 10:20 AMKatitof Hence my clarification in last line. You still can't close in with them, Partisans can be a very offensive squad. Jump back to quoted post22 Apr 2021, 10:20 AMKatitof Storms don't exactly have to pay(not that big of an issue tho) for their MP40s and don't need to retreat to reinforce to get to full potential. There isn't much use for an infiltration unit that starts without weapons and needs to retreat to get all models back. This is why new partisans(AI variant) is completely confusing to me, there is no reason to ever get them out through infiltration if there is no M5 around and they bleed as much as they always have. That's why Partisans are still dirt cheap and you don't need to pay munitions for any ability to get the most out of the ambush. But I agree with you last points. If Partisans really stay like this, they probably need some further adjustments. Although with the addition of the fifth man they overall don't look THAT much different from commandos regarding EHP (considering reinforcement costs) and usage in the late game. All in all Partisans should be a totally different squad. They should be able to enable the brute force attack that Soviets do, not be part of it. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - Soviet Feedback22 Apr 2021, 10:10 AM Jump back to quoted post22 Apr 2021, 09:55 AMKatitof At the moment they both have low initial impact, require specialized CQC AI or AT upgrade and go from there. General purpose is the same. Application of that role differs with one being cheap ambusher and other operating more frontally. Being completely impotent on spawn, partisans might just as well no longer be infiltration units. I did mix ass guards with airborne guards in my mid tho and briefly thought former got the camo when stationary, when its the addition of that to latter. One has camo (even the elite version), the other one has not. That's a huge difference in use. That's the only reason why Stormtroopers and Commandos work properly, otherwise they would be quite bad. PPShs also don't exactly offer mid range DPS. Stormtroopers have also been neutered on spawn, yet they are not a bad squad. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - Soviet Feedback22 Apr 2021, 09:47 AM Jump back to quoted post22 Apr 2021, 06:54 AMKatitof I have very mixed feelings about partisans, their call-in impact was completely neutered in favor of making them better long term investment, but if I wanted long term investment, new assault guards do pretty much the same thing while performing exponentially better at it and partisans still have unsustainable bleed when engaged by anything. While I second the sentiment that Soviets do not need Partisans as yet another PPSh combat unit, the comparison with Assault Guards is completely off the mark. They are functionally very different units. In: COH2 Balance