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It was discussed in the previous thread but I'd like it to provide an Almost command role. Active abilities that bring the level of the unit up to the level of the player using it. If you want cheap recon there it is, but if you want more... You can get it. I'd have targeted buffs and debuffs as well as increasing the view for a small time all at additional costs.

How many stock axis vehicles will the Jackson struggle to pen? How many will the SU 85, or the Firefly? And why are we talking about stock vehicles? How often do games get finished without picking a single doctrine? It almost seems like you're purposely diving into semantics in order to

the allied late game TDS are DESIGNED to not struggle with late game armour, the issue is that they dont struggle with mediums either. do try to take note of the stances of whom you are yelling at before accusing them of shit yea? i FREQUENTLY state the jackson and to a lesser extent the su85 are over tuned and need a reduction in performance so cool your jets.

but to continue on that topic, there is exactly 2 allied stock vehicles across 3 factions with enough armour to bounce any axis AT and they cant be built at the same time (comet and churchill) while bosh axis factions contain high armoured units that can bounce standard AT (ost- vetted p4, brum, panther and i THINK the vetted stug can even bounce some shots at range) (okw- p4, panther, jp4, kt)
the reason allied TDs are more equipped to deal with heavy armour is because they are GUARANTEED to face it. either singular axis faction has more stock heavy armour than all allied factions do combined. thats why allied TDs are tuned towards heavy armour. they need a reduction against medium armour though.

its not semantics, its logic. im sorry such an abstract idea confuses you

The prominent armour design of the factions is that "If two vehicles cost exactly the same, the allied one is considerably better"

2 vehicles cost exactly the same and thew axis one in this case has better dps and better range. the allied one has more AOE and better armour. something something asymmetric balance.

Consider this:

A Tiger and 2 Paks facing an IS 2 and 2 Zis. IS 2 hardcounters both Tiger as well as PaKs. Zis guns hardcounter both Tiger as well as PaKs.

The JP4, a tank destroyer enters the field. And gets countered by the very thing it's supposed to counter. The Panther, a 185 premium tank destroyer enters the field. And gets countered by the very thing it's supposed to counter.

Not to mention that no IS 2 is needed to counter all of those expensive vehicles. A simple T-34 ram+strafe combo is A-OK to counter even the most expensive units in the entire game - at no micro cost and 0 chance of counterplay!

i doubt a ram would even be needed to counter your heavy armour, it seems you lack the understanding of basic game function so one could probably just sit with a single AT gun and plink away at your tank.

the jp4 isnt meant to counter heavy armour... you can tell that by it not having the pen to reliably pen heavy armour... you notice how the high pen allied TDs designed to counter hthe high armour vallues of axis armour have high pen but the jp4 very much does NOT have the high pen the allied ones do? its because they have different jobs. can you tag me when you make your thread about how much shock troops suck at max range when compared to obers? its very clear you have no idea how to use certain units and feel its the games fault....

The old adage that was introduced in 2013 of "Doctrinal counters to doctrinal vehicles" only applies to axis. The allies can simply call in a stock unit and counter whatever axis unit they encounter, and usually at a cost advantage that is simply stupefying.

hey im glad you brought up this age old adage! imagine trying to fight the high armour of axis tanks (the ones they have stock) without the high pen of the allied tds! it would be like using a jp4 against an is-2! imagine how absolutely and incomprehensibly stupid you would feel trying to use a jp4 against an is-2. it wouldn't work very well (and i can tell that because while its rof is pretty solid its pen isnt very high)

and to further discuss that, ive said for years that all factions should have the measn to counter units stock. this is also why i support a pen increase for the panther. it would have no effect against anything except heavy armour and would give both factions a more reliable counter to heavy tanks (so the unintelligent among us dont keep trying to use the jp4)

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I also find it funny that a (barely) breathing reminder of the necessity of eugenics like you would dare shittalk others ...

solid, but i dont shit talk, i speak based on silly things like stats, and strategy. the time i have in teaches me the wisdom of knowing advanced techniques like not trying to counter heavy armour with ma medium TD, but im sure given the time even you too can figure how to use units for their intended role instead of whining like a child on the internet that the round peg doesnt fit in the square hole.

But that's none of my business

Well, this is going to be a long post...


This is kind of an unfair comparison. If we stick entirely to non-dock vehicles, Ost's only "high armor" vehicles are the Panther and Brumbarr, and for OKW, it's the Panther and KT (which is a joke, anyway); so 3 units in total. Yes, that is more, and they are more prominent, than the Coment and Churchill, but there's more to this than stock units. When we look at call ins that the JP4 falls flat (a large portion of the TD argument is regarding Tigers/Ele/JT/etc.).

• IS-2
  
• ISU-152
  
• KV-1
  
• KV-2
  
• KV-8
  
• Churchill AVRE
  
• Churchill Croc
  
• Pershing
  
• Sherman E8

The JP4 will struggle against all of these, since they all have between 215 and 375 armor, meaning a chance to pen between 79% and 45%. Even a panther, with its 220 far pen (but only 50 range) will struggle with these (except the E8), whereas the M36 will only have problems with a few (slow) call-ins.

you neglkected the p4 with skirts, 234 armour is a fair amount of armour... i draw the line of "high armour" where the standard AT gun will stop being 100% reliable, as this means one will begin needing more AT to counter it effectively. it seems like a good baseline

the jp4 will struggle against those the same way a su76 will struggle against axis armour. thats because theyae not designed to fight those units. i listed stock, because oddly enough, (su76 discounted) stock tds are designed to fight what they will face the most of!

allies WILL run into heavy armoured axis tanks, they need to always have a ready to apply unit
axis MIGHT run into heavily armoured allied tanks, and have the counter there in the PANTHER. the WILL however run into 160 armoured tanks, and for that the jp4 is amazing. it does it like it was designed to do that.........because it was.

my ideal balancing is starting from the foundation. all stock factions should have a stock counter to anything the enemy can throw at them. then if there isa doctrinal struggle, the singular unit can be zoned out and tweaked without interrupting the stock balance.

but any rate, the PANTHER not the JP4 is supposed to counter the units you listed, thats why the jp4 doesnt do a good job.


again, i support a pen increase for the panther as it will only effect the high armoured units, and again, the jackson is OP...

But please, by all means, let's return to complaining about how giving mines to paths turns coh2 into a fantasy game.

I don't think Paths need mines, I never argued realism as the reason

The whole point of my bringing this thread is that the MG34 barely does its job even on a good day.

That job is to suppress, which it does.

Not trying to steal someone else's MG here. Maxim I'll leave to someone else to deal with. Would like the 50 cal to be looked at over its rather blantant overperformance that allows it to just A-move and insta suppress. But that's not why I brought this topic up.

A point I think has slipped people's minds and my own yesterday - the MG34 comes later than the 42, Vickers and Maxim yet is worse than all of them. Doesn't seem right for a tech structure at all. It's actually penalising combined arms play. I could it understand it being on par, due to the strength of OKW infantry overall then (StG44) but it doesn't even reach that. Don't even try MG-MG building shootouts with it.

The mg34 comes later because it wasn't supposed to be a core unit. It used to be a 1cp doctrinal unit. Having access to it promotes combined arms. Because the faction was designed around not having access to it. Kindly tell me how mg34s and sturms would not be absolutely cancer to play against from the word go.
Think.

It's 10 times sillier to pretend that the T34-76 is just a long range super fast nearly-unblockable snare with a guaranteed long-duration stun even on full health units. And even if it were, the fact that it's able to guarantee kills on tanks which cost 250% the price is kinda a big problem.

1) Faust doesn't stop ram.
2) Faust doesn't trigger when a tank is at full health.
3) Faust only has 15 range. Ram can start from easily triple that range.
4) Faust also takes a long time to load and fire. Even if you start the faust the moment the t34 starts its ram, the T34-76 can still ram the target before faust hits.
5) You seem to have no idea how insanely fast a ram can take place. Once you hear the engine whirl it's like 2 seconds to impact.

There's like a billion things wrong with your imaginary example of android-like players landing a hit on the T34 AND landing a faust on it BEFORE the T34-76 even starts its ram. You somehow think that asking for superhuman levels of micro and reaction JUST to counter a sloppily executed attack by a rank 5000 player is reasonable. I'd like to see you dodge a ram with a Jagdtiger against anyone reasonably within your skill bracket. I'll bet a thousand bucks you can't even do it 20% of the time. I can't even dodge rams 20% of the time with a Tiger against weaker opponents.

When the rank no. 4 Soviet tells you it's a problem there's a pretty good chance that your "just use a panzerfaust LUL" comments are utter rubbish that have no relevance to an actually competitive game.

See the issue is you keep trying to stop it when it has already begun. Try stopping it BEFORE. You can do this by spotting for your tank (as in not having it the front line unit) and having literally any for of AT nearby and a snare nearby. These are super simply things you should be doing ANYWAYS but doing these now will help prevent ram. You only need 1 hit to get the t34 in snare levels.