Profile of Vipper

Both Rear Echelon Troops and Royal Engineers can pick up weapons in addition to their minesweeper in order to quite easily gain veterancy. Both squads can get 5 models. USF has vehicle crew repairs. UKF has the Heavy Sappers upgrade and quite a lot of commanders with self repair. OKW can easily vet up Sturmpioneers that get a bonus with minesweepers, and they have the Mechanized repairs upgrade.

On a side note, Sturmpioneers get better repairs because they are the most expensive at 300 manpower and you can't as easily get 2-3 of them compared to all other engineer units.


Ostheer meanwhile had practically nothing. 1 commander with repair bunkers. Minesweeper Pioneers can't get any other weapons and virtually can not get veterancy. The repair times of Ostheer were notoriously long compared to all other factions.

Soviets did not really need the minesweeper extra repair speed because they have a lot of doctrinal repair abilities, but it was changed in light of standardization regardless.

One reason more to replace the damage reduction with HP on KV tanks.

All the community balance teams have flip-flopped on Tank Hunter's howitzer.

The B4 is more thematically appropriate.

The ML-20 is actually good.

Which wins out?

An AT oriented commander should not have access to doctrinal AI weapons like a howitzer...It simply does not fit the theme. Unless one actually redesign the B4 to work more like Pak43.

Then you mean that su-76 is kind of pointless in soviet t3, no place for it in current meta, since wehr player don't rush for a stug. That's why I suggest it needs adjustment.

Pgrens are good units but rarely used, so they get adjustments and you can see them more often. The same should apply to su-76.

The adjustments needed have to do with other units that are too cost efficient and not the SU-76. Check post 53.

Su-76 suffer from the same issues Easy8, Panzer J KV-8 and Sherman 76 suffer. There are simply more cost efficient options.

On another note with changes in repair speed I see little reason for damage reduction for Soviet tanks. It can be changed to HP in there is a need for.

Maybe don't use such arguments and just suggest your ways how bring unit in-game? You want make from SU-76 sniper-hardcounter against mediums? While Su-85 will be potent only against big targets like P5 and tigers?
While it possible way i also see some troubles with it - "hardcounter" su-76 against mediums in T3 will ruin OST gameplay and maybe OKW too (spam of T-70 and su-76 without T4). "Hardcounter"Su-76 in T4? If it will be cheap (like now) it will be spam, if we will increase price than we must changed all stats too (like armor, health). Armored su-76 with open top? Very funny...
Also before your answer - what means "hardcounter" for you? For me - unit that designed to fight against some kind of target with excel effectivness. Like sniper against teamweapons, ATG against armor, stug against mediums, puma against LV, rocket arty against blobs. Also don't forget about timeframe. Each unit good in right time.

This is becoming rather specialized and I will give a general answer:
Imo there two types of TDs should be created. The heavy TD meant to deal with Super heavy tanks like KT/IS-2 and the the medium TDs meant to deal with medium tanks.

Su-85/FF/Panther/M36 should be in that category while Su-76/Stug/JP in the medium TD.

One could increase the target size of super heavier and reduce the accuracy of heavy TDs so that they can hit the Super heavies but perform worse against mediums.

On the subject Su-76 there many changes that need to take place to create room for it. An an example one could:
1) Delay Ostheer T4/OKW Panther and Super heavies so that there more reason for player to invest in meduims
2) replace zis's vet 1 tracking ability with the barrage. This change would make both SU-76 barrage more attractive and mortar more attractive.
3) Replace Su-85's vet 1 tracking ability with the focus sight. There combination of focus sight and tracking is simply broken and now Su-76 bring something unique to the table.
4) Reduce the accuracy and ROF of the SU-85 and change it's vet bonuses to provide penetration bonus so that it perform better vs KT type of units

With these changes people would have more reason to invest in medium tanks and more reason to built medium Tds.