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Thread: Scale caches to game mode22 Oct 2019, 13:56 PM Jump back to quoted post22 Oct 2019, 12:10 PMSander93 ... Ultimately, caches provide +3/6/9 fuel per minute extra,... Cashes in 4vs4 return x4 times resources than in 1vs1 and thus cover their cost at 1/4 of the time... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Molotov Suggestion22 Oct 2019, 09:45 AM Imo mainline infantry should not have access to incendiary weapons they should be reserved for socialized anti garrison infatry.... In addition DOT should have damage all in hold set to true. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Ideas Regarding Infantry Sections22 Oct 2019, 09:40 AM Jump back to quoted post22 Oct 2019, 02:07 AMMr. Someguy I believe Combat Engineers have 3. It's strange that Conscripts have 1 while everyone else's Infantry get 2 including Penals. That plus the target size, cost, mandatory sidetech, no weapon upgrades, and reserves costing their only weapon slot - must mean that Relic is keeping Conscripts heavily chained because they fear the true power of the Soviet. That is not very accurate Combat Engineers have 2 Conscripts and OSttruppen have 1 Ranger have 3 In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Brummbar OP plz nerf!!!!21 Oct 2019, 22:56 PM Jump back to quoted post21 Oct 2019, 22:46 PMgeneral_gawain I never challenged that the PZIV is not a good counter for KV8... ... Then we agree and there is more to say on that, Stug can scare KV-8s, getting a kill is another story. As I have said in previous post imo DOT flames should be removed from vehicles autofire and move to an ability. That would allow them to deliver enough damage but not continuously and not vs 2 ATGs. On the other hand vehicles that are specialized should cost more than main line tanks. Having KV-8 cost more than T-34/85 is a mistake imo to begin with. When KV-8 got a tech cost its price should had gone down instead of being buffed. If one lower the cost of KV-8 to something like 100-120 then one can adjust its performance to that price. Then the unit would an affordable option for specialized situations. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Brummbar OP plz nerf!!!!21 Oct 2019, 21:37 PM Jump back to quoted post21 Oct 2019, 21:33 PMBananenheld Flames do more damage to units in cover right? Does that mean that atg crews take increased damage from flames? Asking since atg cover is so wonky KV-8 flamer weapon has x1 vs all cover type and x1.25 vs garrison. I have not checked about the DOT... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Brummbar OP plz nerf!!!!21 Oct 2019, 21:26 PM Jump back to quoted post21 Oct 2019, 18:58 PMGrumpy I checked https://coh2db.com/stats/. TBH, I didn't check patch notes to see if the website was out of date. I've used a KV8 only once in the last couple of months and it seemed to bounce a lot and not do full damage (160) so I assumed the website was correct. When I tried it, it seemed only marginal for shrek blobs due to their AT plus any ATG, TD, or tank that was around. The main gun is either/or so it can't deal with any sort of combined arms. Ultimately, it really just means that you're delaying a IS2 by 4-5 minutes for a very situational unit. It's better to wait a couple more minutes and get the IS2. Part of the reason why you don't see Brummbars so much is the same as the KV8. Why get a mostly AI tank when you can get a Tiger after another couple minutes. Well some times things slip unnoticed, and at least you checked stat, other do not bother even doing that, that is why I simply suggested that you check your stats... The point I was trying to make is that PzIV is not a cost efficient counter to the KV-8, and it might even end up losing if the fight moves to close range. The early super heavies is a problem imo and they should be delayed but this is a separate issue from the KV-8. KV-8 should be a primarily AI unit and thus it should be less of an investment, an thus it should be cheaper and thus it should be less lethal. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Brummbar OP plz nerf!!!!21 Oct 2019, 21:21 PM Jump back to quoted post21 Oct 2019, 18:18 PMgeneral_gawain You wanted to be better and use the correct terms, but you failed too. As I said: Sturmgeschütz or Assault Gun is correct when you want to be really correct. Thx. You can argue semantics as much as you like, both in real life and in game Stug-G was/is used to counter tanks and that make it a TD regardless of it original design as an assault gun. Both in real life and it game it does not make a Tank. Jump back to quoted post21 Oct 2019, 18:18 PMgeneral_gawain Not a single soviet ATG will help you in your scenario. Its because of the range. You have to move into 35 range with your KV8. Since StuGs have a range of 50 they will be out of the range of your ATGs unless you want to pull your AtGs so close to the eenemy frontline that they will be captured. And in addition you should pray there is no Ostheer PAK around that stuns the KV8. Yes it because of range that ATG will help in this, scenario zis can fire on Stug from range 60 while the stug has to close in to 50. Any infatry trying to attack atg will simply be burned to crisp... And if one has invested in stug and packs too counter a KV-8 then his infatry will simply lose to enemy infatry... I am not sure why you continue this, what I have pointed out is that PzIV are not a cost efficient counter to KV-8 and unless you want to argue that they are I have little to add. Again the problem here is that KV-8 is too lethal it should be cheaper and less lethal. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Brummbar OP plz nerf!!!!21 Oct 2019, 17:45 PM Jump back to quoted post21 Oct 2019, 16:59 PMgeneral_gawain I read it and I'm pretty sure he meant that too as he said tank (the StuG even has the chassis of PZIII). And if you want to bee desperately historical correct than please don't say TD but Sturmgeschütz or Assault Gun. One is not enough? Lets ignore superior range. Luckily you should have at least two StuGs or a combo of StuG + PZIV when he brings out his KV8. PZIV J: That doesn't changes anything about PZIV beeing T3. Its only one variant and you surely still don't build it to counter KV8. As Ostheer build StuG, as OKW build JPIV. PZIV is an allrounder. I responded to statement that was wrong PzIV are not an effective counter to KV-8 and guessing what the user wanted to say does not help either. You can make as many scenario as you like but no mater how many stug you want to bring into your scenario Soviets can bring more ATGs to support the KV-8. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Brummbar OP plz nerf!!!!21 Oct 2019, 17:42 PM Jump back to quoted post21 Oct 2019, 16:50 PMLago If that's true that should be reverted. The KV-8 is a KV-1 with the 76mm gun swapped out for the T-70's little 45mm. It should NOT have better penetration than the KV-1, which is literally the same tank with a bigger gun. KV-8 -Added to the doctrine -Health from 800 to 960. -Flamethrower range from 25 to 30 -45mm penetration from 50/50/50 to 140/80/60 -45mm AOE from 2.5 to 0.5 -45mm AOE distance from 0.625/0.9375/1.25 to 0.15/0.2/0.25 -Capture Point replaced with Inspire: Infantry within 30m will move faster and have their weapon cooldowns reduced by 20%. Costs 25 munitions. Actually has the similar penetration values at the ATG 45mm Anti-Tank Gun for half the damage ... -AP round penetration from 140/80/60 to 140/100/80. Actually tighrope had a test where the KV-8 would beat a PzIV one on one when the patch was about to get out. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Brummbar OP plz nerf!!!!21 Oct 2019, 16:42 PM Jump back to quoted post21 Oct 2019, 16:23 PMGrumpy Because you can take on a P4 J with a tank that does 80 damage with 50 pen? Time to kill any of those tanks would be all day. Unless I'm playing with friends, I mostly play 2v2 OKW now. I can't remember the last time I saw a KV8, and don't ever remember having a problem with one. 1) Check you stat penetration values of KV-8 is not 50 but 140/80/60. 2) PzIV firing at KV-8 max range will need above 2 minute of firing before killing, maybe in your book that counts as an effective counter but not in mine. In: COH2 Balance